David,
Respectfully, financial incentivization is a much more nuanced issue than "TorCoin is bad".
There are two issues to consider, in order.
(1) we wish to engender the creation of additional Tor relays. This is equivalent to the established "volunteer labor" problems studied in social science. See my previous post for links to journal articles on what kinds of incentivization work best in each context
It's not about "TorCoin", it's about "we want more relays and are examining quantitative social science (particular, blood donations) to provide ideas."
-V
On Wednesday, June 11, 2014, David Stainton <
dstainton415@gmail.com> wrote:
The "torcoin" idea is SUSPICIOUS (and makes me think of a thousand
conspiracy theories).
What is "torcoin"? How can I most effectively and systematically
completely destroy this idea?
The good news is that we don't need it, it's not endorsed by the Tor
Project... and it'll never work.
The non-financial-incentivizing ideas in your post sound OK... perhaps
a bit unnecessary.
Sincerely,
David
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 12:26 AM, Virgil Griffith <i@virgil.gr> wrote:
> For a while I've been seeking to grow the Tor network in both size and
> goodput. Towards this end, I've explored various avenues such as increasing
> user-awareness via tor2web. More recently, I've been exploring financial
> incentives like TorCoin.
>
> Not wanting to strictly limit ourselves to financial incentives, I began
> reading the literature on incentivizing volunteers. The most relevant
> papers I found are:
>
> * http://www-2.rotman.utoronto.ca/facbios/file/LMS2_ManSci-Paper-Final.pdf
> * http://pareto.uab.es/~prey/gneezy_254.pdf
> * https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3308162/Slonim%202013.pdf
>
> The most relevant of these papers (Lacetera 2013) cites the major
> motivations for volunteer labor are: "pure altruism, warm glow, self-image,
> and reputation". Upon reading this I realized TorCoin's technical
> interestingness had blinded me to much easier to leverage motivations of
> "warm glow" and "reputation".
>
> I propose the following system for harnessing "warm glow" and "reputation"
> for Tor relay operators. I am willing to fund this in its entirety.
>
> I propose establishing a subdomain on torproject.org giving each Tor relay
> operator (hereafter affectionately called "Torati") his/her own page using
> the information her machines provide to the Tor Directory Consensus. The
> fields to show on her "Torati profile page" would be things like:
> ContactInfo, PGP fingerprint, list of server nicknames, date the Directory
> Authorities first saw her contact info, etc. You can also imagine a
> receiving special "special recognition stars" for operating an exit or
> bridge node. Moreover, some bandwidth measurement like EigenSpeed or
> TorCoin gain traction, the Torati page could recognize contributors with by
> listing the sum total she has relayed to the Tor network.
>
> Naturally a node can opt-out of Torati recognition by setting a parameter in
> the torrc file.
>
> I argue this would be a cheap and easy way to motivate operators to
> volunteer more bandwidth for the Tor network. As mentioned before, I am
> willing to fund this in its entirety.
>
> -Virgil
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