18:21 < nickm> tjr: are you still around? 18:26 < tjr> nickm: Yup 18:27 < nickm> So, speaking generally as a reaction: Yeah! Bootstrapping Tor from zero should work better and be easier. If you want to push us that way, we'll get there. If not, there are other ways you can help us get there. 18:28 < nickm> My first suggestion would be: make a master ticket on trac, then open a bunch of child tickets. 18:28 < nickm> (Or open a bunch of tickets with the same keyword) 18:28 < nickm> and then let's solve this foolishness and bring about the new golden age^W^W^Wrestorable tor network 18:29 < nickm> Also: Cool! Thanks for doing these tests! 18:30 < mrphs> GeKo: yeah but eh, brade's comment :/ I should probbaly reply there 18:30 < tjr> haha awesome. I will go the master ticket route, and attach some easy tickets with suggestions/patches and harder tickets that may have patches eventually 18:30 < nickm> wrt a dirauth accepted by some but not all dirauths: This is explicitly not handled by the dirauth design. But it would be cool if our response were better in that case. 18:31 < tjr> nickm: Ah okay, that probably explains some stuff 18:32 < tjr> When you add/subtract one, do all the DirAuths have a flag day? 18:32 < nickm> basically yeah. 18:32 < nickm> It would be nice to make that a more tolerant flag day... 18:32 < tjr> The voting interval on Prod is an hour, so if you time it right, the Running flag issue won't arise, but otherwise it seems risky 18:32 < nickm> but the problem of how to have everybody who has participated in a vote agree on the outcome of the vote when they can't agree on who the voters are... is not a solved problem today 18:34 < nickm> Joining two tor networks is a cool idea. 18:34 < nickm> I don't think it's supported though 18:34 < nickm> Please though, spam my inbox with a huge pile of trac emails! 18:34 < tjr> RE: agreeing on consensus but not voters. Yea, definetly I'm pretty nervous about mucking around in that area - I'm going to have to think about it quite a bit and do a lot of simulations 18:35 < tjr> I'm sure it's not supported, I'm just not entirely sure how much logic inside an OR would get deathly confused by having to support it. 18:35 < tjr> Mostly I'm wondering about parameters being on for one and off for the other 18:35 < nickm> Think also about the basic results in byzantine fault tolerance. With >1/3 parties corrupt, no consensus can be reached with any protocol. 18:36 < nickm> btw, okay with you if I copy-and-paste this conversation to tor-dev in response to your email? :) 18:36 < tjr> Of course