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Hi,
is globe or atlas actively maintained? Does it make sense to create trac entries? (I just want to avoid doing worthless things.)
thanks, Nusenu
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Hi Nusenu,
On 28/03/15 14:00, Nusenu wrote:
is globe or atlas actively maintained? Does it make sense to create trac entries? (I just want to avoid doing worthless things.)
Both Globe and Atlas are actively maintained in the sense of fixing bugs, but not in the sense of adding new features. Though their respective maintainers might accept patches that are not too hard to review. So, yes, please open new tickets for them. Thanks!
The situation is different from Compass which doesn't really have a maintainer to prevent it from falling over.
All the best, Karsten
Karsten Loesing transcribed 1.3K bytes:
Hi Nusenu,
On 28/03/15 14:00, Nusenu wrote:
is globe or atlas actively maintained? Does it make sense to create trac entries? (I just want to avoid doing worthless things.)
Both Globe and Atlas are actively maintained in the sense of fixing bugs, but not in the sense of adding new features. Though their respective maintainers might accept patches that are not too hard to review. So, yes, please open new tickets for them. Thanks!
I started maintaining Globe recently in order to take some of the patches that were sitting idle on Trac and in someone's fork of Globe on Github.
Unfortunately, I no longer have enough extra time to do this minor maintenance, nor anything more extensive. I would be absolutely delighted if someone else stepped up to be a real maintainer for Globe!
Hello,
Sounds interesting. Is it any different from Atlas? It looks like both of them are similar in functionality.
Thanks!
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 10:24 PM, isis isis@torproject.org wrote:
Karsten Loesing transcribed 1.3K bytes:
Hi Nusenu,
On 28/03/15 14:00, Nusenu wrote:
is globe or atlas actively maintained? Does it make sense to create trac entries? (I just want to avoid doing worthless things.)
Both Globe and Atlas are actively maintained in the sense of fixing bugs, but not in the sense of adding new features. Though their respective maintainers might accept patches that are not too hard to review. So, yes, please open new tickets for them. Thanks!
I started maintaining Globe recently in order to take some of the patches that were sitting idle on Trac and in someone's fork of Globe on Github.
Unfortunately, I no longer have enough extra time to do this minor maintenance, nor anything more extensive. I would be absolutely delighted if someone else stepped up to be a real maintainer for Globe!
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Abhiram Chintangal transcribed 4.6K bytes:
Hello,
Sounds interesting. Is it any different from Atlas? It looks like both of them are similar in functionality.
They are roughly the same in features. Originally, only Globe allowed people to look up bridge relays, both by fingerprint, hashed, and double hashed fingerprint, but Atlas now has those features as well. IMO, Atlas is has better aesthetics, although perhaps it could use more interactivity on its charts. Essentially, they are the same.
Perhaps you have a good point? Should we be focusing efforts on either Atlas or Globe, rather than both?
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IMO, Atlas is has better aesthetics
I agree.
Perhaps you have a good point? Should we be focusing efforts on either Atlas or Globe, rather than both?
Given the scars maintenance resources I wanted to suggest the same thing.
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On 30/03/15 11:51, Nusenu wrote:
IMO, Atlas is has better aesthetics
I agree.
Well, this is probably difficult to argue about. Personally, I like Globe's interface more. A matter of taste?
But more importantly, I think Globe has the better code. That's probably a question for real web front-end developers though. (Not saying that this wouldn't apply to other people on this thread, but it certainly doesn't apply to me.)
So, maybe we should improve Globe's aesthetics to look more like Atlas' and then focus on Globe. For example, I hear that people complained about Globe using too much whitespace.
Perhaps you have a good point? Should we be focusing efforts on either Atlas or Globe, rather than both?
Given the scars maintenance resources I wanted to suggest the same thing.
Sure, sounds fine. We're not spending many resources on maintenance these days, so whichever of the two we focus our efforts on now will soon become the better tool.
Thanks for helping!
All the best, Karsten
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Well, this is probably difficult to argue about. Personally, I like Globe's interface more. A matter of taste?
Yes, definitely.
But more importantly, I think Globe has the better code. That's probably a question for real web front-end developers though. (Not saying that this wouldn't apply to other people on this thread, but it certainly doesn't apply to me.)
So, maybe we should improve Globe's aesthetics to look more like Atlas' and then focus on Globe. For example, I hear that people complained about Globe using too much whitespace.
current situation
- - globe lost its maintainer - - atlas is maintained by phw - - globes code might be better according to Karsten - - globes graphs are more powerful (user can choose time span to a certain extent) - - a few people(?) prefer altas' UI over globes due to excessive whitespace in globe
Eventually the one actually doing the maintenance will be the one deciding which one will be focused on - I guess.
Atlas tickets: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/query?status=accepted&status=as...
Globe tickets: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/query?status=accepted&status=as...
whichever of the two we focus our efforts on now will soon become the better tool.
Looking forward to it!
btw: I just found out that globe also supports contact:<keyword> searches, maybe this should be documented somewhere? And because it has no <40 results restrictions it just became my favorite ;)
It looks like Atlas is essentially a static application where everything runs client side.
Globe has a has a node.js backend. Is there any actually need for state to persist within the application?
Atlas looks like a cleaner system in many ways.
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 2:40 AM, isis isis@torproject.org wrote:
Abhiram Chintangal transcribed 4.6K bytes:
Hello,
Sounds interesting. Is it any different from Atlas? It looks like both of them are similar in functionality.
They are roughly the same in features. Originally, only Globe allowed people to look up bridge relays, both by fingerprint, hashed, and double hashed fingerprint, but Atlas now has those features as well. IMO, Atlas is has better aesthetics, although perhaps it could use more interactivity on its charts. Essentially, they are the same.
Perhaps you have a good point? Should we be focusing efforts on either Atlas or Globe, rather than both?
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On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 5:40 AM, isis isis@torproject.org wrote:
Abhiram Chintangal transcribed 4.6K bytes:
Hello,
Sounds interesting. Is it any different from Atlas? It looks like both of them are similar in functionality.
They are roughly the same in features. Originally, only Globe allowed people to look up bridge relays, both by fingerprint, hashed, and double hashed fingerprint, but Atlas now has those features as well. IMO, Atlas is has better aesthetics, although perhaps it could use more interactivity on its charts. Essentially, they are the same.
Agreed. Atlas seems much simpler to me as well.
Perhaps you have a good point? Should we be focusing efforts on either Atlas or Globe, rather than both?
Unless, I am wrong Globe supports filtering relays by country, type and flag. Something that can be Atlas doesn't have now. So for the time-being, it would be better to maintain it with minor patches?
As for Atlas, it looks like someone is already working on the advancement feature [1].
Thanks!
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