Hi,
can one of the core developers tell me if there exists a current summary of the design of Tor?
I've started looking into OR for GNUnet and as far as I know from the papers in the anonbib and one 2013 presentation slides I've read so far, Tor went through many changes over the years. I'm interested in what you use today, where you are heading (or what you are considering for the future) and maybe reasons why past designs were changed.
Best regards, ng0
On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 08:59:34AM +0000, ng0 wrote:
can one of the core developers tell me if there exists a current summary of the design of Tor?
I’m not one of the core developers, but I know where the design documents are anyway:
https://www.torproject.org/docs/documentation.html.en#DesignDoc
A good start would probably be to read the original design document from 2004 and after that the two "Eight key design changes" blog posts.
Hi,
Jonathan Marquardt transcribed 2.1K bytes:
On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 08:59:34AM +0000, ng0 wrote:
can one of the core developers tell me if there exists a current summary of the design of Tor?
I’m not one of the core developers, but I know where the design documents are anyway:
https://www.torproject.org/docs/documentation.html.en#DesignDoc
Oh, obvious location. I have the specs git and the anonbib, so I thought I had to skip through all of them to get some up to date idea.
A good start would probably be to read the original design document from 2004
That's obvious, and goes without stating that I've read at least this one before asking (and I didn't ask about old designs).
and after that the two "Eight key design changes" blog posts.
Okay, which year were they written in?
After sending this post I realized my sentence structure suffered a bit of an early morning post. Maybe this is a bit more precise (while still keeping it short):
A summary of the currenty (late 2017) design of Tor, a reflection on past designs and why they were disregarded/changed, and where you are heading at the moment.
I'm used to websites and content you can display in the webbrowser not being up to date all the time, and my assumption was that I would have to dig through all the papers and blog posts, meeting notes and come to a conclusion on my own - or ask you to get some insiders view on this.
ng0 transcribed 3.2K bytes:
Hi,
Jonathan Marquardt transcribed 2.1K bytes:
On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 08:59:34AM +0000, ng0 wrote:
can one of the core developers tell me if there exists a current summary of the design of Tor?
I’m not one of the core developers, but I know where the design documents are anyway:
https://www.torproject.org/docs/documentation.html.en#DesignDoc
Oh, obvious location. I have the specs git and the anonbib, so I thought I had to skip through all of them to get some up to date idea.
A good start would probably be to read the original design document from 2004
That's obvious, and goes without stating that I've read at least this one before asking (and I didn't ask about old designs).
and after that the two "Eight key design changes" blog posts.
Okay, which year were they written in?
Nevermind the question on the blogposts, I've just read the DesignDoc anchor.
After sending this post I realized my sentence structure suffered a bit of an early morning post. Maybe this is a bit more precise (while still keeping it short):
A summary of the currenty (late 2017) design of Tor, a reflection on past designs and why they were disregarded/changed, and where you are heading at the moment.
I'm used to websites and content you can display in the webbrowser not being up to date all the time, and my assumption was that I would have to dig through all the papers and blog posts, meeting notes and come to a conclusion on my own - or ask you to get some insiders view on this. -- GnuPG: A88C8ADD129828D7EAC02E52E22F9BBFEE348588 GnuPG: https://dl.n0.is/dist/keys/ WWW: https://we.make.ritual.n0.is
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On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 09:55:28PM +0000, ng0 wrote:
and after that the two "Eight key design changes" blog posts.
Actually, there's a bonus third of those blog posts. I just added it to https://www.torproject.org/docs/documentation.html.en#DesignDoc
A summary of the currenty (late 2017) design of Tor,
Your best shot there is the specs: https://spec.torproject.org/ https://gitweb.torproject.org/torspec.git/tree/
a reflection on past designs and why they were disregarded/changed,
You might find the proposals useful here: https://gitweb.torproject.org/torspec.git/tree/proposals
and where you are heading at the moment.
And for this one you want a combination of current trac tickets, grouped by milestone: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/report/12 and the roadmaps that they're talking about on tor-project: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-project/2017-November/001564.html
I'm used to websites and content you can display in the webbrowser not being up to date all the time, and my assumption was that I would have to dig through all the papers and blog posts, meeting notes and come to a conclusion on my own - or ask you to get some insiders view on this.
There is for sure a lot in flux, as usual for moving projects.
--Roger
https://www.torproject.org/docs/documentation.html.en#DesignDoc https://spec.torproject.org/ https://gitweb.torproject.org/torspec.git/tree/ https://gitweb.torproject.org/torspec.git/tree/proposals https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/report/12 https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-project/2017-November/001564.html
There was someone in dev / talk maybe ~2 years ago that wrote up a rather complete overview that got a lot of +1 from people, think it ended up in pdf format. You could search back for pdf links and maybe find it.
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