Hello everyone.
This is my first report on the Roster project and I wanted to give you all an introduction what it is and where it's going.
I'm interested in seeing Tor grow. Current work towards this is tor2web and now Roster. Roster is the rebranded continuation of the "Torati" proposal which I first mentioned here: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-dev/2014-June/006975.html
In short the gist is to: * Socially incentivize operators to run relays. * Make the operator experience more compelling. * Gamify operating a Tor relay.
The main difference between Roster and Globe/Atlas is that Roster provides information at the level of *operators*, not individual relays. In Roster information is aggregated and metrics are summed across all relays of a family. The idea is that when you run a relay, you generate nerd points and badges. And then when people Google your name/alias, they will see how many nerd points+badges you have and they will be in awe of your epic geek-street-cred.
In addition to improving operator experience, there are proposals for encouraging operators to do things Tor management like them to do such as upgrading to the latest Tor version and/or probably setting up their Families. E.g., a badge for using the latest/recommended Tor software.
That's the gist of it.
I will be spending most of my time on tor-relays@ and talking with operators there. So if you want to follow day-to-day stuff subscribe there.
Main things accomplished so far: * Setup the basic website at: http://www.tor-roster.org/
* I have an assistant whom I've taken under my wing. His name is Sean Saito saitosean@ymail.com. He's a Computer Science student at Yale-NUS here in Singapore. He wishes to become more involved in The Tor Project and this is his first Tor-related experience.
* We also have discussed with the tor-relays@ list candidate badges. Are interested in additional badge proposals. --- https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/2015-June/007228.html
That's it so far. -Virgil
On Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 02:22:57PM +0800, Virgil Griffith wrote:
Main things accomplished so far:
- Setup the basic website at: http://www.tor-roster.org/
Looks good so far! I know that this is work-in-progress, but I have some minor suggestions:
- I searched for my relay family by fingerprint and the resulting page's URL didn't contain my family, so I couldn't send the URL to somebody else.
- The colour coding for relay flags is hard to read because of the low contrast. Perhaps use green for assigned flags and grey for missing flags?
- I would put the exit policy in a fixed-size box. Otherwise, there's a lot of scrolling for large exit policies.
Cheers, Philipp
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Main things accomplished so far: * Setup the basic website at: http://www.tor-roster.org/
Thanks for doing this!
A few comments:
- - the page seems to be AS name centric - first column of the table is AS name - only clickable column in the table is AS name - - the AS column suggests that all relays in a family run in one AS only
- - the family page of a specific family shows the AS name as title, this is a bit confusing as one might think that the page shows all families/relays in the selected AS after clicking an as name on the start page
Family identifier
- - by looking at your page I assume your family identifier is the fingerprint of the oldest relay in the family, does that mean that an operator has to start over at 0 with collecting "points" once he kills his oldest relay?
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The main difference between Roster and Globe/Atlas is that Roster provides information at the level of *operators*, not individual relays.
Agreed, this was just a placeholder. Will put contact info instead for now.
Thanks, alot better now.
In the future I would like families to have ids/nicknames as well.
How about renaming the contact column 'operator'?
(the name 'contact' comes from the descriptor field but operator might be more fitting in this context)
I find the family page a bit to big, do you consider a shorter table like compass' family overview? With an option to expand individual relays on click as it is right now.
Do you plan to add information about number of countries, ASes netblocks netblocks and an indicator for exit/guard to the overview?
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Hi,
do you plan to add CW,CW fraction, measured bw (as soon as available via onionoo [1]), guard/exit probability, ... graphs to tor-roster? (similar to atlas but aggregated to the family)
thanks
[1] https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/16020
Probably not graphs. But the rest yes.
-V
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 at 03:33 nusenu nusenu@openmailbox.org wrote:
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Hi,
do you plan to add CW,CW fraction, measured bw (as soon as available via onionoo [1]), guard/exit probability, ... graphs to tor-roster? (similar to atlas but aggregated to the family)
thanks
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