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Today's Topics:

  1. Re: exit and skype (David Carlson)
  2. Setting UP an Tor exit node with resrictions (Anonymous)
  3. Re: Setting UP an Tor exit node with resrictions (krishna e bera)
  4. Re: Setting UP an Tor exit node with resrictions (Anonymous)
  5. Does TOR need TUN/TAP (Sebastian Pfeifer)
  6. Re: Does TOR need TUN/TAP (Anonymous)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 08:21:40 -0600
From: David Carlson <david.carlson.417@gmail.com>
To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
Subject: Re: [tor-relays] exit and skype
Message-ID: <5280E7F4.1020707@gmail.com>
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On 11/10/2013 5:37 AM, Thomas Hand wrote:
>
> This is true. Some websites download lists of all relays and just mass
> block the ips. Its usually webmasters who have no idea how tor works
> and don't realise that a middle relay poses them no threat whatsoever.
> This is why education is best. If someone is blocking your IP, just
> email them explaining how tor works and try to convince them that your
> IP is no threat.
>
If a web commerce provider is summarily blocking every IP address on his
copy of the list, chances are that they will not change to a policy of
only blocking exit addresses, as that takes extra thinking.

Of course such a list goes out of date faster than a phone book.  That
is another reason that using a list is an exercise in futility.  Even
more thought required to see that.

Thus it would be hit or miss to try to access their website using Tor.
If they do not respond to a suggestion that they learn more about Tor, a
better choice is either to move on to a competitive website or to move
our relay (exit or not) to a different IP address.  Those options are
already on the table in this thread.

The situation would change if Tor became the normal means of accessing
Internet commerce websites.

> On Nov 10, 2013 8:27 AM, "Sebastian G. &lt;bastik.tor&gt;"
> <bastik.tor@googlemail.com <mailto:bastik.tor@googlemail.com>> wrote:
>
>    10.11.2013 07:56, gq:
>    > Dave,
>    >
>    > Unless I am mistaken, your non-exit relay never connects to a
>    web page.
>    > Only exit relays do that, so it can't be your IP that is blocked but
>    > whatever exit relay you may be connecting through.
>
>    The original problem seemed to be that Skype rejects connection
>    attempts
>    from exits. In the mentioned case someone tried to make a call
>    from one
>    of the exits (the same machine with the same IP address) without
>    using Tor.
>
>    Unless I am getting the reply you replied to wrong, the same may
>    happen
>    when one runs a non-exit relay and tries to connect from the same
>    machine to a service that blocks the Tor network, whenever the traffic
>    comes form an exit or not. (One reason could be, not knowing that
>    there
>    is a difference, or just to be sure there's no trouble, or that's just
>    the default [third-party]list they always use for blocking without
>    carrying what's on the list)
>

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 19:56:12 +0200
From: Anonymous <anonymous12@privatdemail.net>
To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
Subject: [tor-relays] Setting UP an Tor exit node with resrictions
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Hello!


How may I create an Tor exit node with some ports and sites blacklisted?


So the user trying to enter an blacklisted page will get an page
saying that the maintainer has denied the access to that page/site.

I whould like to deny access to IRC and some forums so how is that
posible if it is?


- --
Best Regars,
Anonymous - Supporter of Free Speech.

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 13:08:51 -0500
From: krishna e bera <keb@cyblings.on.ca>
To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Setting UP an Tor exit node with resrictions
Message-ID: <52811D33.1000905@cyblings.on.ca>
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On 13-11-11 12:56 PM, Anonymous wrote:
> How may I create an Tor exit node with some ports and sites blacklisted?

See the Reduced Exit Policy page referred to at
https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tips-running-exit-node-minimal-harassment

> So the user trying to enter an blacklisted page will get an page
> saying that the maintainer has denied the access to that page/site.

You could do such a thing but it makes the network much less efficient
because clients would have to build circuits several times, and it also
would get your node listed as a BadExit.
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/badRelays

If you do it as recommended with the ExitPolicy, the user will never
exit via your node, and therefore will not need to see a "censored
notice" page.

> I whould like to deny access to IRC and some forums so how is that
> posible if it is?

See above link.

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 20:55:06 +0200
From: Anonymous <anonymous12@privatdemail.net>
To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Setting UP an Tor exit node with resrictions
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11.11.2013 20:08, krishna e bera kirjoitti:
> On 13-11-11 12:56 PM, Anonymous wrote:
>> How may I create an Tor exit node with some ports and sites
>> blacklisted?
>
> See the Reduced Exit Policy page referred to at
> https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tips-running-exit-node-minimal-harassment
>
>
>
>> So the user trying to enter an blacklisted page will get an page
>>  saying that the maintainer has denied the access to that
>> page/site.
>
> You could do such a thing but it makes the network much less
> efficient because clients would have to build circuits several
> times, and it also would get your node listed as a BadExit.
> https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/badRelays
>
> If you do it as recommended with the ExitPolicy, the user will
> never exit via your node, and therefore will not need to see a
> "censored notice" page.
>
>> I whould like to deny access to IRC and some forums so how is
>> that posible if it is?
>
> See above link.
>
>
>
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Thanks for this. It helped me a lot.

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Anonymous - Supporter of Free Speech.

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 20:36:02 +0100
From: Sebastian Pfeifer <sebastian@pfeifer.or.at>
To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
Subject: [tor-relays] Does TOR need TUN/TAP
Message-ID: <528131A2.3050801@pfeifer.or.at>
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Hello!
A short question I didn't found in the FAQ or with Google: "Does Tor (as
an exit node) need a TUN or TAP device"?
I am a poor pupil and with my provider servers without TUN/TAP (VRS) are
1? cheaper per month than the ones with (KVM).


LG
Sebastian

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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 22:06:10 +0200
From: Anonymous <anonymous12@privatdemail.net>
To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Does TOR need TUN/TAP
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11.11.2013 21:36, Sebastian Pfeifer kirjoitti:
> Hello!
> A short question I didn't found in the FAQ or with Google: "Does Tor (as
> an exit node) need a TUN or TAP device"?
> I am a poor pupil and with my provider servers without TUN/TAP (VRS) are
> 1? cheaper per month than the ones with (KVM).
>
>
> LG
> Sebastian
>

I don't think that it needs that. I'm not sure though. Please correct me
if i'm wrong about this.

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