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Today's Topics:

1. Tor Weather has been discontinued (Karsten Loesing)
2. Re: Tor Weather has been discontinued (Eran Sandler)
3. Re: Tor Weather has been discontinued (Eran Sandler)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 16:48:39 +0200
From: Karsten Loesing <karsten@torproject.org>
To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
Subject: [tor-relays] Tor Weather has been discontinued
Message-ID: <57027EC7.9010802@torproject.org>
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Dear relay operators,

as of April 4, 2016, Tor Weather has been discontinued.

Tor Weather [0] provided an email notification service to any user who
wanted to monitor the status of a Tor node. Upon subscribing, they
could specify what types of alerts they would like to receive. The
main purpose of Tor Weather was to notify node operators via email if
their node was down for longer than a specified period, but other
notification types were available, including one where operators would
be informed when their node was around long enough to qualify for a
t-shirt.

The main reason for discontinuing Tor Weather is the fact that
software requires maintenance, and Tor Weather is no exception. Tor
Weather was promising t-shirts for relays that have not been around
long enough or that provided too little bandwidth to be useful to the
network, and it was almost impossible to deny a t-shirt after Tor
Weather has promised it. Apart from that, Tor Weather was likely not
offering t-shirts to people who have long earned it, thereby confusing
them. An unreliable notification system is worse than not having a
system at all. Relay operators shouldn't rely on Tor Weather to
notify them when their relay fails. They should rather set up their
own system instead.

We have tried to find a new maintainer for Tor Weather for years, but
without success. We started rewriting Tor Weather [1] using Onionoo
[2] as data back-end in 2014, and even though that project didn't
produce working code, somebody could pick up this efforts and finish
the rewrite. The Roster developers said that they're planning to
include an email notification function in Roster [3]. And we
developed a simple Python script that provides information about a
relay operator's eligibility for acquiring a t-shirt [4]. None of
these alternatives is a full replacement of Weather, though.

We encourage you, the community of Tor relay operators, to step up to
start your own notification systems and to share designs and code.
Tor Weather is still a good idea, it just needs somebody to implement it.

Tor Weather is discontinued in two steps. For now, new subscriptions
are disabled, new welcome messages are not sent out anymore, and
existing subscriptions continue working until June 30, 2016. From
July 1, 2016 on, Tor Weather will not be sending out any emails.

Sorry for any inconvenience caused by this.

All the best,
Karsten


[0] https://weather.torproject.org

[1] https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/weather-in-2014

[2] https://onionoo.torproject.org

[3] http://www.tor-roster.org

[4]
https://gitweb.torproject.org/metrics-tasks.git/tree/task-9889/tshirt.py

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2016 14:58:20 +0000
From: Eran Sandler <eran@sandler.co.il>
To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Tor Weather has been discontinued
Message-ID:
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I have played quite a bit with onionoo and wrote a wrapper in Go for it.

I am willing to rewrite Tor Weather using Go (or python if you like).

I'll go over the old code and this email again to make sure I understand
the full scope of the project.

As an operator I have relied on the Tor Weather alerts to know if one if my
nodes were down and while it's wasn't quick enough in sending alerts it was
a good tool.

I have some ideas about the t-shirts alerts so that we won't miss sending
to those that need it and wouldnt send to those that don't need it.

Eran

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016, 17:49 Karsten Loesing <karsten@torproject.org> wrote:

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Dear relay operators,

as of April 4, 2016, Tor Weather has been discontinued.

Tor Weather [0] provided an email notification service to any user who
wanted to monitor the status of a Tor node. Upon subscribing, they
could specify what types of alerts they would like to receive. The
main purpose of Tor Weather was to notify node operators via email if
their node was down for longer than a specified period, but other
notification types were available, including one where operators would
be informed when their node was around long enough to qualify for a
t-shirt.

The main reason for discontinuing Tor Weather is the fact that
software requires maintenance, and Tor Weather is no exception. Tor
Weather was promising t-shirts for relays that have not been around
long enough or that provided too little bandwidth to be useful to the
network, and it was almost impossible to deny a t-shirt after Tor
Weather has promised it. Apart from that, Tor Weather was likely not
offering t-shirts to people who have long earned it, thereby confusing
them. An unreliable notification system is worse than not having a
system at all. Relay operators shouldn't rely on Tor Weather to
notify them when their relay fails. They should rather set up their
own system instead.

We have tried to find a new maintainer for Tor Weather for years, but
without success. We started rewriting Tor Weather [1] using Onionoo
[2] as data back-end in 2014, and even though that project didn't
produce working code, somebody could pick up this efforts and finish
the rewrite. The Roster developers said that they're planning to
include an email notification function in Roster [3]. And we
developed a simple Python script that provides information about a
relay operator's eligibility for acquiring a t-shirt [4]. None of
these alternatives is a full replacement of Weather, though.

We encourage you, the community of Tor relay operators, to step up to
start your own notification systems and to share designs and code.
Tor Weather is still a good idea, it just needs somebody to implement it.

Tor Weather is discontinued in two steps. For now, new subscriptions
are disabled, new welcome messages are not sent out anymore, and
existing subscriptions continue working until June 30, 2016. From
July 1, 2016 on, Tor Weather will not be sending out any emails.

Sorry for any inconvenience caused by this.

All the best,
Karsten


[0] https://weather.torproject.org

[1] https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/weather-in-2014

[2] https://onionoo.torproject.org

[3] http://www.tor-roster.org

[4]
https://gitweb.torproject.org/metrics-tasks.git/tree/task-9889/tshirt.py

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2016 15:31:33 +0000
From: Eran Sandler <eran@sandler.co.il>
To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Tor Weather has been discontinued
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So, I was also thinking about basing a new system off of onionoo. It should
be fairly easy to handle that.

Basic flow would be the same:

- Register with fingerprint + email + select notifications (down, low
bandwidth etc).
- Get confirmation email
- Confirm

We can discuss what notifications are needed (the same or others as before).

Regarding T-Shirts, I think automatically sending emails might be a bit too
much. Perhaps it should collect that data and send an email to the people
responsible sending out the t-shirts 1-2 a month. They can review some data
(when the node first appeared, how stable it is, etc - or we can determine
new parameters for getting a t-shirt) and authorize sending out an email.

I would be interested to know what other notifications are worth while.

Regarding operational details, I have a few questions:

- How are emails being sent today?
- Is there a main torproject.org email server that was used? Obviously
we would all rather have these emails reach their destination and not fall
into SPAM folders.
- How open are every one to run the new Weather system on a PaaS like
Google AppEngine? We can probably get free credits to run it and it will
save us a server to run. We can use AppEngine's cron feature to do the
scheduling and check if things are up and running. That should be much more
efficient as this system won't really be taking 100% CPU from a server (and
its one less server to maintain).


Eran

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 5:58 PM Eran Sandler <eran@sandler.co.il> wrote:

I have played quite a bit with onionoo and wrote a wrapper in Go for it.

I am willing to rewrite Tor Weather using Go (or python if you like).

I'll go over the old code and this email again to make sure I understand
the full scope of the project.

As an operator I have relied on the Tor Weather alerts to know if one if
my nodes were down and while it's wasn't quick enough in sending alerts it
was a good tool.

I have some ideas about the t-shirts alerts so that we won't miss sending
to those that need it and wouldnt send to those that don't need it.

Eran


On Mon, Apr 4, 2016, 17:49 Karsten Loesing <karsten@torproject.org> wrote:

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Hash: SHA1

Dear relay operators,

as of April 4, 2016, Tor Weather has been discontinued.

Tor Weather [0] provided an email notification service to any user who
wanted to monitor the status of a Tor node. Upon subscribing, they
could specify what types of alerts they would like to receive. The
main purpose of Tor Weather was to notify node operators via email if
their node was down for longer than a specified period, but other
notification types were available, including one where operators would
be informed when their node was around long enough to qualify for a
t-shirt.

The main reason for discontinuing Tor Weather is the fact that
software requires maintenance, and Tor Weather is no exception. Tor
Weather was promising t-shirts for relays that have not been around
long enough or that provided too little bandwidth to be useful to the
network, and it was almost impossible to deny a t-shirt after Tor
Weather has promised it. Apart from that, Tor Weather was likely not
offering t-shirts to people who have long earned it, thereby confusing
them. An unreliable notification system is worse than not having a
system at all. Relay operators shouldn't rely on Tor Weather to
notify them when their relay fails. They should rather set up their
own system instead.

We have tried to find a new maintainer for Tor Weather for years, but
without success. We started rewriting Tor Weather [1] using Onionoo
[2] as data back-end in 2014, and even though that project didn't
produce working code, somebody could pick up this efforts and finish
the rewrite. The Roster developers said that they're planning to
include an email notification function in Roster [3]. And we
developed a simple Python script that provides information about a
relay operator's eligibility for acquiring a t-shirt [4]. None of
these alternatives is a full replacement of Weather, though.

We encourage you, the community of Tor relay operators, to step up to
start your own notification systems and to share designs and code.
Tor Weather is still a good idea, it just needs somebody to implement it.

Tor Weather is discontinued in two steps. For now, new subscriptions
are disabled, new welcome messages are not sent out anymore, and
existing subscriptions continue working until June 30, 2016. From
July 1, 2016 on, Tor Weather will not be sending out any emails.

Sorry for any inconvenience caused by this.

All the best,
Karsten


[0] https://weather.torproject.org

[1] https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/weather-in-2014

[2] https://onionoo.torproject.org

[3] http://www.tor-roster.org

[4]
https://gitweb.torproject.org/metrics-tasks.git/tree/task-9889/tshirt.py

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