On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 11:08:34 -0500 Jon Gardner jon@brazoslink.net allegedly wrote:
On Aug 22, 2013, at 11:56 AM, mick mbm@rlogin.net wrote:
Tor is neutral. You and I may agree that certain usage is unwelcome, even abhorrent, but we cannot dictate how others may use an anonymising service we agree to provide. If you have a problem with that, you probably should not be running a tor node.
Then why have exit policies? Exit nodes regularly block "unwelcome" traffic like bittorrent, and there's only a slight functional difference between that and using a filter in front of the node to block things like porn (which, come to think of it, also tends to be a bandwidth hog like bittorrent--so it doesn't have to be just a moral question). If someone has a problem with exit nodes blocking things like porn (or bittorrent, or...), then they probably should not be using Tor.
The very idea of Tor is based on moral convictions (e.g., that personal privacy is a good thing, that human rights violations and abuse of power are bad things, etc.).
Nope. Not in my view. Tor's USP is anonymity of access to any and all network resources. I say again, tor is neutral. It cares not about what those resources are - it just shovels bits.
And as a relay operator I cannot say that bits of type A are OK to retrieve but not bits of type B. I do not even know what type of bits are transferred.
As someone else here said "censorship implies surveillance".
The Tor devs go to great lengths to try to keep "evil" governments from using Tor against itself. Why not devote some effort toward keeping "evil" traffic off of Tor?
Define "evil" (or its converse "good"). I'd bet that given any random selection of people in a room you'd get a broad spectrum of views. The only way you can safely meet /all/ those views is not to take a position at all and remain neutral.
I repeat tor is neutral.
It's worth discussion.
I agree.
Best
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