Hi,
Mike, your questions are all valid. Remember where this project is coming from. Donncha put this together at the Dublin Bitcoin Hackathon and it was designed to give back a little bit to the Relay Operators. I never expected anything in return for my relays but im glad that onintip exists and the approach seems to be to give everybody a little bit back based on the consensus.
Exit operators can get a lot of legal trouble and i acknowledge that but without Middle Relays, Guards, Bridges etc. TOR would not be possible. It seems to be always about the Exit's. There are different organizations for Exit's and now they should be preferred on oniontip.com ?
It is hard not to feel like a second class Relay operator when you don't run an Exit. Im happy that there is a possibility like oniontip and btw. there is nothing similar on the torproject website. You can donate to the torproject via bitcoin but there is no way to choose who should receive this donation like you can do on oniontip.com
Im not sure if it is necessary for oniontip to provide the best possible distribution of the donations from the projects point of view (diversity etc.) It seems to be a different approach just to give back to everybody and it has a certain amount of charme.
It is easy to use and it seems to be working and becoming more and more popular.
I like it.
There are some nice statistics at https://metrics.torproject.org about node types. As of 9/24/14 the total advertized bandwidth for guards was 8.6Gbps, exits 4Gbps, and middles 2Gbps. If you want to distribute tips proportionally, based upon those numbers guards should get less than a quarter share and exits a half share. It is very difficult to run a fast stable middle because as soon as you accomplish that it becomes eligible for the guard flag and no longer gets used as a middle.
I could hardly have said the below better.
-Pascal
On 9/28/2014 8:03 AM, Sebastian Urbach wrote:
Hi,
I never expected anything in return for my relays but im glad that onintip exists and the approach seems to be to give everybody a little bit back based on the consensus.
Exit operators can get a lot of legal trouble and i acknowledge that but without Middle Relays, Guards, Bridges etc. TOR would not be possible. It seems to be always about the Exit's. There are different organizations for Exit's and now they should be preferred on oniontip.com ?
It is hard not to feel like a second class Relay operator when you don't run an Exit. Im happy that there is a possibility like oniontip and btw. there is nothing similar on the torproject website. You can donate to the torproject via bitcoin but there is no way to choose who should receive this donation like you can do on oniontip.com
Im not sure if it is necessary for oniontip to provide the best possible distribution of the donations from the projects point of view (diversity etc.) It seems to be a different approach just to give back to everybody and it has a certain amount of charme.
It is easy to use and it seems to be working and becoming more and more popular.
I like it.
On 28 Sep 2014, at 17:41, Pascal Pascal666@Users.SourceForge.Net wrote:
There are some nice statistics at https://metrics.torproject.org about node types. As of 9/24/14 the total advertized bandwidth for guards was 8.6Gbps, exits 4Gbps, and middles 2Gbps. If you want to distribute tips proportionally, based upon those numbers guards should get less than a quarter share and exits a half share. It is very difficult to run a fast stable middle because as soon as you accomplish that it becomes eligible for the guard flag and no longer gets used as a middle.
Note that exits and guards also get used for the middle position, and that there are nodes which are exits and guards at the same time.
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