hi,
well having run a relay for just under 2 weeks, I've got my first spam on this email address. As you will no doubt have guessed, this is not my usual email address, it is only used for the Tor relay contact details, this email list and a very few other projects that will not have published my email address anywhere.
So I guess that this spam is as a result of my email address appearing on Atlas or Globe or similar as a result of it being the contact address for my Tor relay.
I know this possibility is mentioned in the Tor documentation; I read it somewhere. I guess there's not much to be done about it; I wouldn't want to remove contact details - the address is already in the public domain anyway, and I want to be contactable with any problems. I guess I just have to use the standard spam filtering and combating measures.
Could those with experience of running a relay for longer, please advise if this will become a major problem? Will spam increase substantially? Also, any suggestions very gratefully received.
Thank you!
KQ
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 15:06:44 +0100 kingqueen kingqueen@btnf.tw wrote:
hi,
well having run a relay for just under 2 weeks, I've got my first spam on this email address. As you will no doubt have guessed, this is not my usual email address, it is only used for the Tor relay contact details, this email list and a very few other projects that will not have published my email address anywhere.
So I guess that this spam is as a result of my email address appearing on Atlas or Globe or similar as a result of it being the contact address for my Tor relay.
I know this possibility is mentioned in the Tor documentation; I read it somewhere. I guess there's not much to be done about it; I wouldn't want to remove contact details - the address is already in the public domain anyway, and I want to be contactable with any problems. I guess I just have to use the standard spam filtering and combating measures.
Could those with experience of running a relay for longer, please advise if this will become a major problem? Will spam increase substantially? Also, any suggestions very gratefully received.
You put your IP on a web page, crawlers can harvest it and use for spam. I've just tried and easily found your E-Mail using search engines such as Google and others. If you didn't want it to be harvested for spam purposes, you could have used at least some minimal obfuscation, e.g. "user AT example DOT com". But instead you just published it there in the clear form. Nothing surprising or even strictly speaking Tor-related.
On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 21:28:36 +0600 Roman Mamedov rm@romanrm.net wrote:
You put your IP on a web page
Sorry, meant "E-Mail address" of course :)
Hello Roman,
You put your IP on a web page, crawlers can harvest it and use for spam. I've just tried and easily found your E-Mail using search engines such as Google and others.
Really? kingqueen@btnf.tw ? https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=kingqueen%40btnf.tw#q=%22kingqueen%40btnf.... lists only a Tor node list.
But instead you just published it there in the clear form.
in .torrc and thus in node lists, yes.
kingqueen@btnf.tw is only published on webpages in relation to tor. It is not on any other webpages. That address - the one I am using to correspond on this list - is the one I am now receiving spam on.
I suggest you double check your facts.
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 16:47:49 +0100 kingqueen kingqueen@btnf.tw wrote:
just tried and easily found your E-Mail using search engines such as Google and others.
Really? kingqueen@btnf.tw ? https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=kingqueen%40btnf.tw#q=%22kingqueen%40btnf.... lists only a Tor node list.
And that Tor node list is, in fact, a web page.
Which is exactly what I meant. Your E-mail is in that list, the list is on the web, and if crawlers from Google and other search engines could find it, then also web crawlers which collect E-Mails to be used for spamming purposes could find it just as easily.
One workaround is to obfuscate the E-Mail you use in your contact details as I mentioned, either lightly or not, I have seen some really creative ways people obfuscate their E-Mail to avoid spam-crawlers.
On 26 June 2014 17:08:51 BST, Roman Mamedov rm@romanrm.net wrote:
And that Tor node list is, in fact, a web page.
Yes, I understand how it happens. I was just asking how much of an inconvenience spam caused by such listings causes, and for any tips for if it is a major inconvenience.
I'm glad to discover it has proven to not be a major inconvenience for other relay owners.
Thanks for the obfuscation suggestion, but I guess it would be bolting the stable door after the horse has bolted in my case, at most damage limitation, as my email address is now already out there, so to speak. I shall make judicious use of the delete key.
Thanks
Hi,
On Thursday, June 26, 2014 4:57 PM, kingqueen kingqueen@btnf.tw wrote:
On 26 June 2014 17:08:51 BST, Roman Mamedov rm@romanrm.net wrote:
And that Tor node list is, in fact, a web page.
Yes, I understand how it happens. I was just asking how much of an inconvenience spam caused by such listings causes, and for any tips for if it is a major inconvenience.
I'm glad to discover it has proven to not be a major inconvenience for other relay owners.
Thanks for the obfuscation suggestion, but I guess it would be bolting the stable door after the horse has bolted in my case, at most damage limitation, as my email address is now already out there, so to speak. I shall make judicious use of the delete key.
Had a similar situation. My take is - it is never too late to obfuscate. It does matter.
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On 27. Juni 2014 10:18:52 MESZ, Kali Tor kalitor42@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi,
On Thursday, June 26, 2014 4:57 PM, kingqueen kingqueen@btnf.tw
wrote:
On 26 June 2014 17:08:51 BST, Roman Mamedov rm@romanrm.net wrote:
And that Tor node list is, in fact, a web page.
Yes, I understand how it happens. I was just asking how much of an
inconvenience
spam caused by such listings causes, and for any tips for if it is a
major
inconvenience.
I'm glad to discover it has proven to not be a major inconvenience
for other
relay owners.
Thanks for the obfuscation suggestion, but I guess it would be
bolting the
stable door after the horse has bolted in my case, at most damage
limitation, as
my email address is now already out there, so to speak. I shall make
judicious
use of the delete key.
Had a similar situation. My take is - it is never too late to obfuscate. It does matter.
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Hello Kali,
Had a similar situation. My take is - it is never too late to obfuscate. It does matter.
Thank you! I have done. Random Person <ROT13 xvatdhrra@ogas.gj>
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 09:41:53 +0100 kingqueen kingqueen@btnf.tw allegedly wrote:
Had a similar situation. My take is - it is never too late to obfuscate. It does matter.
Thank you! I have done. Random Person <ROT13 xvatdhrra@ogas.gj>
I think that is the first time I have seen ROT13 used as a form of email obfuscation.
I have seen images (usually PNG) being used - but then I have also seen that ruined by the use of the mailto: tag around the image.....
Mick
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On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 10:08:51PM +0600, Roman Mamedov wrote:
One workaround is to obfuscate the E-Mail you use in your contact details as I mentioned, either lightly or not, I have seen some really creative ways people obfuscate their E-Mail to avoid spam-crawlers.
Which is a great thing in case the torproject decides to mail the owners of all relays that are vulnerable to some attack.
I was receiving some spam after a couple weeks so I changed it to "user at domain dot com" e.g. cbritt at hush dot com
It seems to have solved the problem. I think I remember reading somewhere that newer versions automatically reformat email addresses to combat the aforementioned spam issue.
Hopefully that helps!
On 06/26/2014 at 10:56 AM, "kingqueen" wrote:hi,
well having run a relay for just under 2 weeks, I've got my first spam on this email address. As you will no doubt have guessed, this is not my usual email address, it is only used for the Tor relay contact details, this email list and a very few other projects that will not have published my email address anywhere.
So I guess that this spam is as a result of my email address appearing on Atlas or Globe or similar as a result of it being the contact address for my Tor relay.
I know this possibility is mentioned in the Tor documentation; I read it somewhere. I guess there's not much to be done about it; I wouldn't want to remove contact details - the address is already in the public domain anyway, and I want to be contactable with any problems. I guess I just have to use the standard spam filtering and combating measures.
Could those with experience of running a relay for longer, please advise if this will become a major problem? Will spam increase substantially? Also, any suggestions very gratefully received.
Thank you!
KQ --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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On 26 June 2014 16:51:11 BST, "cbritt@hush.com" cbritt@hush.com wrote:
I was receiving some spam after a couple weeks so I changed it to "user at domain dot com" e.g. cbritt at hush dot com
It seems to have solved the problem. I think I remember reading somewhere that newer versions automatically reformat email addresses to combat the aforementioned spam issue.
Hopefully that helps!
It does. Thank you!
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