If you're interested in becoming your own ISP (obtaining your own ASN, IPv6 and IPv4 scopes), you'll need to apply via APNIC, as I did in the US with ARIN. Here is an example:
Would if I could - but here in AU you have to log all metadata for two years if you are an ISP.
I either listen to what others have stated and host overseas or host overseas...
I might be able to get a 20/20Mbs fibre for AU$250 - Just waiting to find out if they have data caps or not.
Thanx all for your input.
Paul
PS - whats more important - More bandwidth for exit nodes or a faster presence in AU???
On 26 Aug 2017, at 20:38, Paul Templeton paul@coffswifi.net wrote:
If you're interested in becoming your own ISP (obtaining your own ASN, IPv6 and IPv4 scopes), you'll need to apply via APNIC, as I did in the US with ARIN. Here is an example:
Would if I could - but here in AU you have to log all metadata for two years if you are an ISP.
I either listen to what others have stated and host overseas or host overseas...
I might be able to get a 20/20Mbs fibre for AU$250 - Just waiting to find out if they have data caps or not.
Thanx all for your input.
Paul
PS - whats more important - More bandwidth for exit nodes or a faster presence in AU???
Tor clients will be faster if there is more exit bandwidth in the network.
"Where?" is a complicated question.
Australia has high overseas latency, high bandwidth costs, and metadata retention. But I know of cases where the jurisdictional arbitrage has been convenient.
T
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Could you please define “Metadata”? Server connections? That would be quite a bit with a high traffic tor relay …
niftybunny
“For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'” --David Cameron, 2015
On 26. Aug 2017, at 14:18, teor teor2345@gmail.com wrote:
On 26 Aug 2017, at 20:38, Paul Templeton paul@coffswifi.net wrote:
If you're interested in becoming your own ISP (obtaining your own ASN, IPv6 and IPv4 scopes), you'll need to apply via APNIC, as I did in the US with ARIN. Here is an example:
Would if I could - but here in AU you have to log all metadata for two years if you are an ISP.
I either listen to what others have stated and host overseas or host overseas...
I might be able to get a 20/20Mbs fibre for AU$250 - Just waiting to find out if they have data caps or not.
Thanx all for your input.
Paul
PS - whats more important - More bandwidth for exit nodes or a faster presence in AU???
Tor clients will be faster if there is more exit bandwidth in the network.
"Where?" is a complicated question.
Australia has high overseas latency, high bandwidth costs, and metadata retention. But I know of cases where the jurisdictional arbitrage has been convenient.
T
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Could you please define âMetadataâ? Server connections? That would be quite a bit with a high traffic tor relay â¦
niftybunny
Generally speaking I believe metadata is source IP, Source port, Destination IP, Destination port, timestamp of connections.
For the USA government and other dictatorships, metadata for sure has other meaning, as most of it include raw content from users, nationals, foreigners, cell phone tower information, etc..
These days, layer 3 IP is nothing other than handy identifier for layer 2 and below traffic characterization and probing. So long as everyone continues whining about bandwidth, which can perhaps be mostly free at link layer, or are being anti-mix, as starter defenses... they'll get no solution. IMO, ATM.
Could you please define “Metadata”? Server connections? That would be quite a bit with a high traffic tor relay …
https://www.ag.gov.au/dataretention
Should answer your questions.
Paul
On 4 Sep 2017, at 11:28, Paul Templeton paul@coffswifi.net wrote:
Could you please define “Metadata”? Server connections? That would be quite a bit with a high traffic tor relay …
https://www.ag.gov.au/dataretention
Should answer your questions.
... but it doesn't really contain the level of detail we need, just a list of categories and examples.
While no-one has yet tested Australia's Data Retention laws in court, here's what I understand. (I am not a lawyer, get your own lawyer.)
Each "licenced carrier[], carriage service provider[] and internet service provider[]" is required to submit a plan stating the precise (meta)data they will retain.
Here are some things that aren't in the FAQ:
1. These lists of retained data for each provider are not public. 2. Providers may retain and produce more data than the minimum. 3. Other entities are not required to retain data under the scheme.
So, in Australia, if you're running a Tor relay, it's actually easier to *not* be an ISP. And it's likely better for Tor users, too, because you're not required to retain any of their data. (And you have access to more user data than the ISP[0], because some of it is encrypted[1].)
[0]: or data centre provider, see 8.2 in https://www.ag.gov.au/NationalSecurity/DataRetention/Documents/DataRetention... [1]: Tor relays know the source and destination circuit ids, and Guards know the duration of the communication more precisely than an ISP-level observer.
T -- Tim Wilson-Brown (teor)
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So, in Australia, if you're running a Tor relay, it's actually easier to *not* be an ISP.
I'm testing this with AGs department - I have put in a request to see if Tor falls outside of the scope - That is it's not a commercial service. The law only states commercial services that you charge for or make money from.
They are taking their time to respond.
Paul
PS - I didn't state what services I was deploying just it wasn't a commercial service and I'm trying to find a lawyer to help navigate.
On 5 Sep 2017, at 11:18, Paul Templeton paul@coffswifi.net wrote:
So, in Australia, if you're running a Tor relay, it's actually easier to *not* be an ISP.
I'm testing this with AGs department - I have put in a request to see if Tor falls outside of the scope - That is it's not a commercial service. The law only states commercial services that you charge for or make money from.
They are taking their time to respond.
Paul
PS - I didn't state what services I was deploying just it wasn't a commercial service and I'm trying to find a lawyer to help navigate.
I remember hearing that another organisation tried to get an explicit "not in scope" from AGs. It took them a long while to get a response. (I don't have a specific reference, sorry.)
T -- Tim Wilson-Brown (teor)
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There was some excellent comedy when the Prime Minister and Attorney-General and even the tech head were asked to define metadata.
Robert
On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 6:38 AM, Paul Templeton paul@coffswifi.net wrote:
If you're interested in becoming your own ISP (obtaining your own ASN, IPv6 and IPv4 scopes), you'll need to apply via APNIC, as I did in the US with ARIN.
Would if I could - but here in AU you have to log all metadata for two years if you are an ISP.
If you're a subscriber of such an ISP, it's turtles, such ISP has same data as you would anyways, thus this irrelavant. Only way to evade is with an anti-GPA network analysis design which tor doesn't and won't provide.
Still, if in thinly connected diff juris / geo lands, and reasonably funded, don't hesitate to contact fiber landing co's for discount feed / colo / own ISP. Because juris / geo on the cheap, which may be benefit upon analysis.
If you're a subscriber of such an ISP, it's turtles, such ISP has same data as you would anyways, thus this irrelavant. Only way to evade is with an anti-GPA network analysis design which tor doesn't and won't provide.
Wondering what an anti-GPA network analysis is...
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