This is a newbie question, but I'm not sure where else to ask it.
I had an older desktop box from a decade ago, so I put Debian tor on it as per the directions and set it up as a middle node (exit policy to reject *:*) at home. I added arm and vnstat to be able to look at it. I've never done anything with tor before, so I know nothing but what I've read in the past 2 weeks.
My question is about bandwidth. I made a mistake at first with Kbytes and kbits, but currently have it set at 200KBytes steady, 300KBytes burst. This translates in the default arm display to 1.5Mb/s and 2.3Mb/s. I use Verizon Fios. When I did a speed test from Verizon, I got 60 Mbps up and 70 Mpbs down. I currently have not set any accounting max daily limit. It seems to me that I could add 10 times the bandwidth and still be at 15/23 Mbps out of 60-70 Mpbs, or only a quarter of my total bandwidth.
Were I to do this, 1. would we notice at home, where we don't stream video; just run browsers and remote desktop about 8 miles away to work. 2. or would Verizon notice first the bandwidth or the amount of data going through our connection? Which would be the first limit? Bandwidth or data?
In terms of data, I've already run 11.5 GB through tor yesterday, out of about a 17GB theoretical maximum at these bandwidth settings. Would 170GB/day be outrageous to Verizon if I cranked the bandwidth up? Would we notice it?
Hoping someone might be able to add to my vast experience of 3 days up.
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I use Verizon Fios. When I did a speed test from Verizon, I got 60 Mbps up and 70 Mpbs down. I currently have not set any accounting max daily limit. It seems to me that I could add 10 times the bandwidth and still be at 15/23 Mbps out of 60-70 Mpbs, or only a quarter of my total bandwidth.
- would we notice at home, where we don't stream video; just run browsers
and remote desktop about 8 miles away to work.
It's hard to say. It may depend on the capabilities of your router. A well-utilized guard node will have thousands of open connections. It can overwhelm some consumer-level routers. One way to find out...
- or would Verizon notice first the bandwidth or the amount of data going
through our connection? Which would be the first limit? Bandwidth or data?
It looks like Verizon has a soft cap for FIOS customers, between 4 to 10 TB per month:
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Insider-Verizon-Caps-FiOS-at-10-TB-and-DS...
Unfortunately, they aren't explicit about it. They claim "unlimited" but send out warning letters to customers hitting the soft cap. At 170 GB per day, you would use around 5TB per month. They might notice.
On 13 May 2017, at 01:57, Torix torix@protonmail.com wrote:
set it up as a middle node (exit policy to reject *:*) at home
You may find some websites block your home IP address, even though you are not running an Exit. (Turns out some blacklist operators don't know (or don't care) how tor works.)
It might be worth using a separate external IP address, if you can get one.
On 13 May 2017, at 03:27, tor tor@anondroid.com wrote:
I use Verizon Fios. When I did a speed test from Verizon, I got 60 Mbps up and 70 Mpbs down. I currently have not set any accounting max daily limit. It seems to me that I could add 10 times the bandwidth and still be at 15/23 Mbps out of 60-70 Mpbs, or only a quarter of my total bandwidth.
- would we notice at home, where we don't stream video; just run browsers
and remote desktop about 8 miles away to work.
It's hard to say. It may depend on the capabilities of your router. A well-utilized guard node will have thousands of open connections. It can overwhelm some consumer-level routers. One way to find out...
You may also find that tor exceeds Verizon's peering capacity per user to Europe, or some other network link capacity.
The tor network will also measure your relay, and if it is slower than other relays, it will tell clients to allocate fewer connections to it.
T
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Thank you very much for your insights. I think I will double the limit and see what happens for a month.
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On 13 May 2017, at 01:57, Torix torix@protonmail.com wrote:
set it up as a middle node (exit policy to reject *:*) at home
You may find some websites block your home IP address, even though you are not running an Exit. (Turns out some blacklist operators don't know (or don't care) how tor works.)
It might be worth using a separate external IP address, if you can get one.
On 13 May 2017, at 03:27, tor tor@anondroid.com wrote:
I use Verizon Fios. When I did a speed test from Verizon, I got 60 Mbps up and 70 Mpbs down. I currently have not set any accounting max daily limit. It seems to me that I could add 10 times the bandwidth and still be at 15/23 Mbps out of 60-70 Mpbs, or only a quarter of my total bandwidth.
- would we notice at home, where we don't stream video; just run browsers
and remote desktop about 8 miles away to work.
It's hard to say. It may depend on the capabilities of your router. A well-utilized guard node will have thousands of open connections. It can overwhelm some consumer-level routers. One way to find out...
You may also find that tor exceeds Verizon's peering capacity per user to Europe, or some other network link capacity.
The tor network will also measure your relay, and if it is slower than other relays, it will tell clients to allocate fewer connections to it.
T
-- Tim Wilson-Brown (teor)
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Hi,
On 12/05/2017 19:27, tor wrote:
- or would Verizon notice first the bandwidth or the amount of data going
through our connection? Which would be the first limit? Bandwidth or data?
It looks like Verizon has a soft cap for FIOS customers, between 4 to 10 TB per month:
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Insider-Verizon-Caps-FiOS-at-10-TB-and-DS...
Unfortunately, they aren't explicit about it. They claim "unlimited" but send out warning letters to customers hitting the soft cap. At 170 GB per day, you would use around 5TB per month. They might notice.
besides what was already told you, I would also suggest that you can experiment with "scaling up" bandwidth a bit.
I am running my relays using cloud providers so I have no direct experience on how running the relay will affect your day-to-day internet usage.
What you can do is trying to set limits fairly conservatively at first, see how it goes and then adjusting the limits (up or down). Repeat until you are satisfied, all things considered.
With cloud providers you have the same problem of bandwidth because many "VPS packages" offered have bandwidth limits, so you are in the same situation and you need to experiment to see how strict they are on those limits.
Cristian
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