I never thought I would be one of those operators who had to deal with the police or anything like that. I've done all I can to set things up so that it's easy to see that I run a exit node.
I have a disclaimer on my website : https://stigatle.no/index.php/tor-exit-node/
and if you go to the ip of the node, you'll see the same info: https://185.97.32.18/
I run this node - which is no secret: https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/04250C3835019B26AA6764E85D836088BE4410...
So, back to earlier this morning. Suddenly got a hard knock on my door, I was surprised because we never get visitors. I saw it was the police (2 officers), and they asked if we could talk in private, because they heard my kids (2 and 4) and my wife upstairs, I said yes, no problem, let them in.
They would not let me know what it was about at first, they asked a lot about what I did yesterday, easy for me to answer since I was out climbing mountains all day long. Then asked a lot about who has access to my connection at home, It's just me, my wife, no one else.
Then I start to ask a bit, and I thought about the exit node I run, I quickly confirmed that it was the exit node (which is in sweden and not in Norway where I live) that was the reason why they where at my house. All though - 2 second check would confirm to them that the server is not at my house, and the impression they gave me until I showed the Exit node was that they thought it was sent from my house.
I have blocked the email ports on the exit node, but the issue was that a email had been sent through hotmail (web), threatening Angela Merkel, that's why they where at my house this morning.
I got the chance to explain everything as best I could, explained how it all worked, and why I run a exit node, and I feel they got all the answers they needed. They then left - and for now that was that.
I would be put on some kind of list, but that list would also explain that I operate a tor exit node. I'm happy with that, and hopefully this will be all that there's to it.
I might have to do some more explaining if I travel to sweden\germany, but that's fine with me.
Anyone else here that has this happen to you recently as well?..
I think this issue has been discussed here before.
The general opinion on the list is that it's not a good idea to run an exit at home. It's probably not worth the hassle.
On 31 July 2016 at 14:13, Stig Atle Steffensen stigatle@cryptolab.net wrote:
I never thought I would be one of those operators who had to deal with the police or anything like that. I've done all I can to set things up so that it's easy to see that I run a exit node.
I have a disclaimer on my website : https://stigatle.no/index.php/tor-exit-node/
and if you go to the ip of the node, you'll see the same info: https://185.97.32.18/
I run this node - which is no secret:
https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/04250C3835019B26AA6764E85D836088BE4410...
So, back to earlier this morning. Suddenly got a hard knock on my door, I was surprised because we never get visitors. I saw it was the police (2 officers), and they asked if we could talk in private, because they heard my kids (2 and 4) and my wife upstairs, I said yes, no problem, let them in.
They would not let me know what it was about at first, they asked a lot about what I did yesterday, easy for me to answer since I was out climbing mountains all day long. Then asked a lot about who has access to my connection at home, It's just me, my wife, no one else.
Then I start to ask a bit, and I thought about the exit node I run, I quickly confirmed that it was the exit node (which is in sweden and not in Norway where I live) that was the reason why they where at my house. All though - 2 second check would confirm to them that the server is not at my house, and the impression they gave me until I showed the Exit node was that they thought it was sent from my house.
I have blocked the email ports on the exit node, but the issue was that a email had been sent through hotmail (web), threatening Angela Merkel, that's why they where at my house this morning.
I got the chance to explain everything as best I could, explained how it all worked, and why I run a exit node, and I feel they got all the answers they needed. They then left - and for now that was that.
I would be put on some kind of list, but that list would also explain that I operate a tor exit node. I'm happy with that, and hopefully this will be all that there's to it.
I might have to do some more explaining if I travel to sweden\germany, but that's fine with me.
Anyone else here that has this happen to you recently as well?..
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Except that if you do it right, you get a high speed unlimited bandwidth relay.
On Jul 31, 2016 9:03 AM, "Jonathan Baker-Bates" jonathan@bakerbates.com wrote:
I think this issue has been discussed here before.
The general opinion on the list is that it's not a good idea to run an exit at home. It's probably not worth the hassle.
On 31 July 2016 at 14:13, Stig Atle Steffensen stigatle@cryptolab.net wrote:
I never thought I would be one of those operators who had to deal with the police or anything like that. I've done all I can to set things up so that it's easy to see that I run a exit node.
I have a disclaimer on my website : https://stigatle.no/index.php/tor-exit-node/
and if you go to the ip of the node, you'll see the same info: https://185.97.32.18/
I run this node - which is no secret:
https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/04250C3835019B26AA6764E85D836088BE4410...
So, back to earlier this morning. Suddenly got a hard knock on my door, I was surprised because we never get visitors. I saw it was the police (2 officers), and they asked if we could talk in private, because they heard my kids (2 and 4) and my wife upstairs, I said yes, no problem, let them in.
They would not let me know what it was about at first, they asked a lot about what I did yesterday, easy for me to answer since I was out climbing mountains all day long. Then asked a lot about who has access to my connection at home, It's just me, my wife, no one else.
Then I start to ask a bit, and I thought about the exit node I run, I quickly confirmed that it was the exit node (which is in sweden and not in Norway where I live) that was the reason why they where at my house. All though - 2 second check would confirm to them that the server is not at my house, and the impression they gave me until I showed the Exit node was that they thought it was sent from my house.
I have blocked the email ports on the exit node, but the issue was that a email had been sent through hotmail (web), threatening Angela Merkel, that's why they where at my house this morning.
I got the chance to explain everything as best I could, explained how it all worked, and why I run a exit node, and I feel they got all the answers they needed. They then left - and for now that was that.
I would be put on some kind of list, but that list would also explain that I operate a tor exit node. I'm happy with that, and hopefully this will be all that there's to it.
I might have to do some more explaining if I travel to sweden\germany, but that's fine with me.
Anyone else here that has this happen to you recently as well?..
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I do not run it from home, as you can see in my post. So that was not the issue.
On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 09:04:48AM -0500, Tristan wrote:
Except that if you do it right, you get a high speed unlimited bandwidth relay.
On Jul 31, 2016 9:03 AM, "Jonathan Baker-Bates" jonathan@bakerbates.com wrote:
I think this issue has been discussed here before.
The general opinion on the list is that it's not a good idea to run an exit at home. It's probably not worth the hassle.
On 31 July 2016 at 14:13, Stig Atle Steffensen stigatle@cryptolab.net wrote:
I never thought I would be one of those operators who had to deal with the police or anything like that. I've done all I can to set things up so that it's easy to see that I run a exit node.
I have a disclaimer on my website : https://stigatle.no/index.php/tor-exit-node/
and if you go to the ip of the node, you'll see the same info: https://185.97.32.18/
I run this node - which is no secret:
https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/04250C3835019B26AA6764E85D836088BE4410...
So, back to earlier this morning. Suddenly got a hard knock on my door, I was surprised because we never get visitors. I saw it was the police (2 officers), and they asked if we could talk in private, because they heard my kids (2 and 4) and my wife upstairs, I said yes, no problem, let them in.
They would not let me know what it was about at first, they asked a lot about what I did yesterday, easy for me to answer since I was out climbing mountains all day long. Then asked a lot about who has access to my connection at home, It's just me, my wife, no one else.
Then I start to ask a bit, and I thought about the exit node I run, I quickly confirmed that it was the exit node (which is in sweden and not in Norway where I live) that was the reason why they where at my house. All though - 2 second check would confirm to them that the server is not at my house, and the impression they gave me until I showed the Exit node was that they thought it was sent from my house.
I have blocked the email ports on the exit node, but the issue was that a email had been sent through hotmail (web), threatening Angela Merkel, that's why they where at my house this morning.
I got the chance to explain everything as best I could, explained how it all worked, and why I run a exit node, and I feel they got all the answers they needed. They then left - and for now that was that.
I would be put on some kind of list, but that list would also explain that I operate a tor exit node. I'm happy with that, and hopefully this will be all that there's to it.
I might have to do some more explaining if I travel to sweden\germany, but that's fine with me.
Anyone else here that has this happen to you recently as well?..
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On Sun, 2016-07-31 at 14:54 +0100, Jonathan Baker-Bates wrote:
I think this issue has been discussed here before.
The general opinion on the list is that it's not a good idea to run an exit at home. It's probably not worth the hassle.
For the peace of the mind and of the home sure.
OTOH if all put exit nodes on external providers, the vulnerability of the Tor network raise a lot, hoping that no one run it on VM without knowing/caring of this ....
JM2C
On 31 July 2016 at 14:13, Stig Atle Steffensen <stigatle@cryptol ab.net> wrote:
I never thought I would be one of those operators who had to deal with the police or anything like that. I've done all I can to set things up so that it's easy to see that I run a exit node.
I have a disclaimer on my website : https://stigatle.no/index.php/tor-exit-node/
and if you go to the ip of the node, you'll see the same info: https://185.97.32.18/
I run this node - which is no secret: https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/04250C3835019B26AA6764E8 5D836088BE441088
So, back to earlier this morning. Suddenly got a hard knock on my door, I was surprised because we never get visitors. I saw it was the police (2 officers), and they asked if we could talk in private, because they heard my kids (2 and 4) and my wife upstairs, I said yes, no problem, let them in.
They would not let me know what it was about at first, they asked a lot about what I did yesterday, easy for me to answer since I was out climbing mountains all day long. Then asked a lot about who has access to my connection at home, It's just me, my wife, no one else.
Then I start to ask a bit, and I thought about the exit node I run, I quickly confirmed that it was the exit node (which is in sweden and not in Norway where I live) that was the reason why they where at my house. All though - 2 second check would confirm to them that the server is not at my house, and the impression they gave me until I showed the Exit node was that they thought it was sent from my house.
I have blocked the email ports on the exit node, but the issue was that a email had been sent through hotmail (web), threatening Angela Merkel, that's why they where at my house this morning.
I got the chance to explain everything as best I could, explained how it all worked, and why I run a exit node, and I feel they got all the answers they needed. They then left - and for now that was that.
I would be put on some kind of list, but that list would also explain that I operate a tor exit node. I'm happy with that, and hopefully this will be all that there's to it.
I might have to do some more explaining if I travel to sweden\germany, but that's fine with me.
Anyone else here that has this happen to you recently as well?..
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On 07/31/2016 03:13 PM, Stig Atle Steffensen wrote:
Anyone else here that has this happen to you recently as well?..
Not recently, no. Since 2010 we had (I think) two times police coming to our registered address (which is a laywer's office). Sometimes they call, sometimes they email, most of the time they request information via fax. They never came to the address(es) of the board members, just to the formal address of the association.
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Well, maybe OT but nevertheless:
The tor exit notice can be improved. I derived a good example from the WIKI and adapted it just a little bit for Germany: http://5.9.158.75/
And a second thing: If you close port 465, then you should close 587 as well IMO. FWIW I do fine with just closing port 25 and : ExitPolicy reject 217.69.139.160:465 # smtp.mail.ru ExitPolicy reject 94.100.180.160:465 # " ExitPolicy reject [2a00:1148:db00::8]:465 # " b/c the admins there requested it.
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thank you, I have added the ones I did not already have to my configuration now.
On 31.07.2016 17.58, Toralf Förster wrote:
Well, maybe OT but nevertheless:
The tor exit notice can be improved. I derived a good example from the WIKI and adapted it just a little bit for Germany: http://5.9.158.75/
And a second thing: If you close port 465, then you should close 587 as well IMO. FWIW I do fine with just closing port 25 and : ExitPolicy reject 217.69.139.160:465 # smtp.mail.ru ExitPolicy reject 94.100.180.160:465 # " ExitPolicy reject [2a00:1148:db00::8]:465 # " b/c the admins there requested it.
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I decided today to turn the node into a non-exit node this morning. The stress of not knowing if something will happen again is too much for me to go around thinking about.
I will rather donate some to torproject or other exit operators.
On 31.07.2016 18.05, stig atle steffensen wrote:
thank you, I have added the ones I did not already have to my configuration now.
On 31.07.2016 17.58, Toralf Förster wrote:
Well, maybe OT but nevertheless:
The tor exit notice can be improved. I derived a good example from the WIKI and adapted it just a little bit for Germany: http://5.9.158.75/
And a second thing: If you close port 465, then you should close 587 as well IMO. FWIW I do fine with just closing port 25 and : ExitPolicy reject 217.69.139.160:465 # smtp.mail.ru ExitPolicy reject 94.100.180.160:465 # " ExitPolicy reject [2a00:1148:db00::8]:465 # " b/c the admins there requested it.
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Too bad when a Tor node operator is intimidated out of his activity. I understand your position, thank you for your efforts.
Marco
stig atle steffensen wrote on 01/08/2016 08:15:
I decided today to turn the node into a non-exit node this morning. The stress of not knowing if something will happen again is too much for me to go around thinking about.
I will rather donate some to torproject or other exit operators.
On 01.08.2016 08:15, stig atle steffensen wrote:
I decided today to turn the node into a non-exit node this morning. The stress of not knowing if something will happen again is too much for me to go around thinking about.
What hoster did you use? You mentioned the server being located in sweden.
Might put a new exit there, can't have police visits lead to lower exit capacity. I understand you don't want to run it yourself anymore though.
The hoster is: https://tranquillity.se/
The sysadmin there did not tell me to shut it down, he did encourage me to continue, but I've decided to turn it into a middlenode for the resons mentioned earlier.
On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 02:50:25PM +0200, simon wrote:
On 01.08.2016 08:15, stig atle steffensen wrote:
I decided today to turn the node into a non-exit node this morning. The stress of not knowing if something will happen again is too much for me to go around thinking about.
What hoster did you use? You mentioned the server being located in sweden.
Might put a new exit there, can't have police visits lead to lower exit capacity. I understand you don't want to run it yourself anymore though. _______________________________________________ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
2016-08-01 8:15 GMT+02:00 stig atle steffensen stigatle@cryptolab.net:
I decided today to turn the node into a non-exit node this morning. The stress of not knowing if something will happen again is too much for me to go around thinking about.
I will rather donate some to torproject or other exit operators.
2016-08-01 8:49 GMT+02:00 Marco Predicatori marco@predicatori.it:
Too bad when a Tor node operator is intimidated out of his activity. I understand your position, thank you for your efforts.
+1. Even if it seems to me that they handled the situation in a civilised manner, I can understand it is still a very stressful situation.
Thanks again for running an exit node and continuing with a relay.
Cristian
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