Hey, for a few days now I'm looking for an appropriate ISP for my new exit relay. There are a few problem I am facing now: 1.) Since I'm living in germany it isn't the very best to host an exit relay in germany, so I need to know which country is (law related) the best country I could host my VPS. 2.) The choice of a hoster. It's not easy to find a good and reliable and (if possible) cheap hoster which allows tor exit relays so I need to crawl to whole Good/Bad ISPs list for such providers.
If I had the cash I would rent a server at Cyberbunker but it's to expensive to only run a relay there.
I would appreciate if you could help me or at least give me some tips with finding the best country and provider.
Thanks. :)
On 09/24/2014 01:49 PM, DerTor Steher wrote:
Hey, for a few days now I'm looking for an appropriate ISP for my new exit relay. There are a few problem I am facing now: 1.) Since I'm living in germany it isn't the very best to host an exit relay in germany, so I need to know which country is (law related) the best country I could host my VPS. 2.) The choice of a hoster. It's not easy to find a good and reliable and (if possible) cheap hoster which allows tor exit relays so I need to crawl to whole Good/Bad ISPs list for such providers.
If I had the cash I would rent a server at Cyberbunker but it's to expensive to only run a relay there.
I would appreciate if you could help me or at least give me some tips with finding the best country and provider.
Thanks. :)
Hi,
just adding a few thoughts.
This issue has been discussed a few times before. In my opinion, even if there was an ISP that happily accepts Tor exit nodes, we should not place more and more nodes in their network. Remember that Tor network needs diversity.
So, i think the goal is to expand the list of Tor-friendly ISPs rather than picking an entry from that list. You need to contact the ISP beforehand, explain what a Tor relay is and what is not. Also it helps a lot to handle yourself the abuse reports rather than letting your ISP do that.
More information can be found here: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tips-running-exit-node-minimal-harassment
Greetings
Thanks Alexandros, for your reply.
At first it's not the abuse reports that I fear. It's more the legal problems. In germany you can get in big problems when the "wrong" traffic goes over your exit relay. I know german hosters (including my ISP) that allow exit relays but it isn't the very best country to host one if you do not want to get in contact with police searching your house and taking away all your computer stuff for investigation.
2014-09-24 15:24 GMT+02:00 Alexandros irregulator@riseup.net:
On 09/24/2014 01:49 PM, DerTor Steher wrote:
Hey, for a few days now I'm looking for an appropriate ISP for my new exit
relay.
There are a few problem I am facing now: 1.) Since I'm living in germany it isn't the very best to host an exit relay in germany, so I need to know which country is (law related) the best country I could host my VPS. 2.) The choice of a hoster. It's not easy to find a good and reliable and (if possible) cheap hoster which allows tor exit relays so I need to crawl to whole Good/Bad ISPs list for such providers.
If I had the cash I would rent a server at Cyberbunker but it's to expensive to only run a relay there.
I would appreciate if you could help me or at least give me some tips with finding the best country and provider.
Thanks. :)
Hi,
just adding a few thoughts.
This issue has been discussed a few times before. In my opinion, even if there was an ISP that happily accepts Tor exit nodes, we should not place more and more nodes in their network. Remember that Tor network needs diversity.
So, i think the goal is to expand the list of Tor-friendly ISPs rather than picking an entry from that list. You need to contact the ISP beforehand, explain what a Tor relay is and what is not. Also it helps a lot to handle yourself the abuse reports rather than letting your ISP do that.
More information can be found here: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tips-running-exit-node-minimal-harassment
Greetings
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I couldn't agree more with this statement, IMHO there's more importance in bringing exits to diverse locales that spread the jurisdictional problems over a wide geographic space. The more exits running in various places the more of a normalizing effect this has on what Tor is, how it functions and how useful it is. It also acts as a subtle indicator about when there's regional resistance to tools like Tor, possibly due to it's censorship bypass abilities, and avoidance of national surveillance programs. It would be very nice to get a weighted list of which countries need more exits, balanced against common reasons there aren't more there already. -Jason
This issue has been discussed a few times before. In my opinion, even if there was an ISP that happily accepts Tor exit nodes, we should not place more and more nodes in their network. Remember that Tor network needs diversity.
So, i think the goal is to expand the list of Tor-friendly ISPs rather than picking an entry from that list. You need to contact the ISP beforehand, explain what a Tor relay is and what is not. Also it helps a lot to handle yourself the abuse reports rather than letting your ISP do that.
More information can be found here: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tips-running-exit-node-minimal-harassment
Greetings
tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
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Hey,
Looking for an appropriate ISP is indeed quite a search. Since I started hosting Tor Exit nodes my own search still continues. The Good/Bad ISPs list is handy but there are more ways to help you on your journey.
I myself want to be able to push a lot of traffic for a decent price so I use the torstatus page of Blutmagie (http://torstatus.blutmagie.de/) to see what ISPs the big nodes are hosted. Together with general search engine searching and e-mailing the ISPs about their policies towards Exit nodes being hosted there, this gives quite some options to look into.
Spreading all nodes over as many geolocations and different ISPs is important but as most ISPs do not like Tor there is no endless pool of possible ISPs.
When looking for the best country to host I always try to avoid the USA and most Middle East/Asian countries if they have dodgy human rights infringing laws of some kind. Like mentioned on the Good/Bad ISPs page they advise to not host in Austria because of some dude getting sued there. I do not know exactly what the risk is if you are not a resident of Austria yourself though.
Even though clustering nodes at the same ISP is not best for geo-spreading, I can tell you that from my own experience there are quite some parties which offer hosting for a decent price.
- - server.lu
Located in Luxembourg, fair prices. Their VPS-es can push 200 Mbps but they will shut it down as you are not allowed that much. They allow exit nodes on their dedicated servers though (starting at EU 35,00).
- - Leaseweb
Used to offer dedicated servers with 100 Mbps in Germany and The Netherlands starting at EU 39,00. It looks though that they have changed the packages they offer recently.
- - Unmetered.com
Starting at EU 59,00 they offer dedicated servers with guaranteed 500 Mbps in Germany and the States. Some big nodes seem to be hosted here.
My advise would be to look around and use the Good/Bad ISPs wiki page as part of the set of tools to look for the best ISP to host your Exit node.
Hope my thoughts about this will be of some help. For me I am still looking around every week to see what ISP can make me a happier Tor Exit node hoster.
Best regards,
On 09/24/2014 12:49 PM, DerTor Steher wrote:
Hey, for a few days now I'm looking for an appropriate ISP for my new exit relay. There are a few problem I am facing now: 1.) Since I'm living in germany it isn't the very best to host an exit relay in germany, so I need to know which country is (law related) the best country I could host my VPS. 2.) The choice of a hoster. It's not easy to find a good and reliable and (if possible) cheap hoster which allows tor exit relays so I need to crawl to whole Good/Bad ISPs list for such providers.
If I had the cash I would rent a server at Cyberbunker but it's to expensive to only run a relay there.
I would appreciate if you could help me or at least give me some tips with finding the best country and provider.
Thanks. :)
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If I had the cash I would rent a server at Cyberbunker but it's to expensive to only run a relay there.
If you want to run your exit node anonymously, checkout chmuranet
They are in the seedbox business but accept tor exits, too.
You need to handle abuse within 24h. You need to use a reduced exit policy, but the important ports like 80 and 443 are fine.
It's a small company, so you have to ask if they can handle another tor exit. I'm currently their first and only exit.
You don't have to give them your name and they accept paypal and bitcoin.
Join their irc and ping wBuddha.
finding the best country and provider.
Tired of people asking here what's the most best/friendly provider. Do people think saturating popular names like Amazon AWS, OVH, Dreamhost, Rackspace, Lowendbox, Hurricane, Digitalocean, etc with nodes is helping Tor's physical, logical or legal diversity? Or is that helping small independant businesses that just might have crazy ideas like say... anonymity and privacy... prosper?
https://www.google.com/search?q=vps+provider+in+chile https://www.google.com/search?q=vps+provider+in+taiwan https://www.google.com/search?q=vps+provider+in+ukraine https://www.google.com/search?q=vps+provider+in+india https://www.google.com/search?q=vps+provider+in+south+africa https://www.google.com/search?q=vps+provider+in+uae https://www.google.com/search?q=vps+provider+in+greece https://www.google.com/search?q=vps+provider+in+latvia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_by_population
Just pick some third or second world country, or random city with 1M pop or more and start looking with credit card in hand. Pay monthly, document it on the wiki, and move on to another if they suck.
The place/provider that will keep the node, move a useful amount of bandwidth, and that no one else has picked... that's the best place. And having not been picked before, you won't find it by asking this list :)
On 24/09/14 19:30, grarpamp wrote:
finding the best country and provider.
Tired of people asking here what's the most best/friendly provider. Do people think saturating popular names like Amazon AWS, OVH, Dreamhost, Rackspace, Lowendbox, Hurricane, Digitalocean, etc with nodes is helping Tor's physical, logical or legal diversity? Or is that helping small independant businesses that just might have crazy ideas like say... anonymity and privacy... prosper?
https://www.google.com/search?q=vps+provider+in+chile https://www.google.com/search?q=vps+provider+in+taiwan https://www.google.com/search?q=vps+provider+in+ukraine https://www.google.com/search?q=vps+provider+in+india https://www.google.com/search?q=vps+provider+in+south+africa https://www.google.com/search?q=vps+provider+in+uae https://www.google.com/search?q=vps+provider+in+greece https://www.google.com/search?q=vps+provider+in+latvia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_by_population
Just pick some third or second world country, or random city with 1M pop or more and start looking with credit card in hand. Pay monthly, document it on the wiki, and move on to another if they suck.
The place/provider that will keep the node, move a useful amount of bandwidth, and that no one else has picked... that's the best place. And having not been picked before, you won't find it by asking this list :) _______________________________________________ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
+1
... and a good place to start looking might be www.exoticvps.com, which lists over 700 providers in over 100 countries, with useful info on bandwidth and whether they accept PayPal etc. Needless to say I have no idea how accurate this info is. Use at your own risk!
I found exoticvps.com yesterday and booked a VPS. Anyway thanks for your replies and sorry for asking the same question that many people asked before.
2014-09-25 13:42 GMT+02:00 Nick Sheppard nshep@attglobal.net:
On 24/09/14 19:30, grarpamp wrote:
finding the best country and provider.
Tired of people asking here what's the most best/friendly provider. Do people think saturating popular names like Amazon AWS, OVH, Dreamhost, Rackspace, Lowendbox, Hurricane, Digitalocean, etc with nodes is helping Tor's physical, logical or legal diversity? Or is that helping small independant businesses that just might have crazy ideas like say... anonymity and privacy... prosper?
https://www.google.com/search?q=vps+provider+in+chile https://www.google.com/search?q=vps+provider+in+taiwan https://www.google.com/search?q=vps+provider+in+ukraine https://www.google.com/search?q=vps+provider+in+india https://www.google.com/search?q=vps+provider+in+south+africa https://www.google.com/search?q=vps+provider+in+uae https://www.google.com/search?q=vps+provider+in+greece https://www.google.com/search?q=vps+provider+in+latvia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_by_population
Just pick some third or second world country, or random city with 1M pop or more and start looking with credit card in hand. Pay monthly, document it on the wiki, and move on to another if they suck.
The place/provider that will keep the node, move a useful amount of bandwidth, and that no one else has picked... that's the best place. And having not been picked before, you won't find it by asking this list :) _______________________________________________ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
+1
... and a good place to start looking might be www.exoticvps.com, which lists over 700 providers in over 100 countries, with useful info on bandwidth and whether they accept PayPal etc. Needless to say I have no idea how accurate this info is. Use at your own risk!
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