Imagining just a download site. How would you imagine a simpler Tor site to look and work if it was just for downloading tor browser?
The goal is to make it super simple and as few clicks as possible to hit the index page, and download tor browser in your language.
The docs and all that could be linked to the current site.
Anyone will to do a mockup (in graphics only is fine)?
have a look at online casino they do their best to get users to download their software,
there is no trying to reinvent the wheel here. its all out there on the web
On 28 March 2014 05:22, Andrew Lewman andrew@torproject.is wrote:
Imagining just a download site. How would you imagine a simpler Tor site to look and work if it was just for downloading tor browser?
The goal is to make it super simple and as few clicks as possible to hit the index page, and download tor browser in your language.
The docs and all that could be linked to the current site.
Anyone will to do a mockup (in graphics only is fine)?
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Hi Andrew,
I've been thinking about this for some time, actually. I'll make a mockup by the end of the day in Balsamiq.
If anyone wants to collaborate on this, feel free to send me an email.
Sincerely, Will Papper
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:22 AM, Andrew Lewman andrew@torproject.iswrote:
Imagining just a download site. How would you imagine a simpler Tor site to look and work if it was just for downloading tor browser?
The goal is to make it super simple and as few clicks as possible to hit the index page, and download tor browser in your language.
The docs and all that could be linked to the current site.
Anyone will to do a mockup (in graphics only is fine)?
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I've completed a rough mockup of the site. I'm still debating whether language should be a prominent option or under the "Something Else" field, so I tried to mirror the current site in that regard.
All of the defaults would be auto-detected using JS. If JS is disabled, then the most common options are pre-selected (English, Windows, 32-bit, Stable).
All feedback is greatly appreciated. If people like the site, then I'll go ahead and build it in HTML/CSS/JS.
Here is the mockup:
[image: Inline image 2]
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 10:52 AM, William Papper william@papper.me wrote:
Hi Andrew,
I've been thinking about this for some time, actually. I'll make a mockup by the end of the day in Balsamiq.
If anyone wants to collaborate on this, feel free to send me an email.
Sincerely, Will Papper
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:22 AM, Andrew Lewman andrew@torproject.iswrote:
Imagining just a download site. How would you imagine a simpler Tor site to look and work if it was just for downloading tor browser?
The goal is to make it super simple and as few clicks as possible to hit the index page, and download tor browser in your language.
The docs and all that could be linked to the current site.
Anyone will to do a mockup (in graphics only is fine)?
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If js is disabled, then the fallback should have a link to "All Downloads" which would open a div with them arranged by language.
~Griffin
William Papper wrote:
I've completed a rough mockup of the site. I'm still debating whether language should be a prominent option or under the "Something Else" field, so I tried to mirror the current site in that regard.
All of the defaults would be auto-detected using JS. If JS is disabled, then the most common options are pre-selected (English, Windows, 32-bit, Stable).
All feedback is greatly appreciated. If people like the site, then I'll go ahead and build it in HTML/CSS/JS.
Here is the mockup:
[image: Inline image 2]
That's a great idea. I'll mockup a page without JS also, which would be a simple list.
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Griffin Boyce griffin@cryptolab.netwrote:
If js is disabled, then the fallback should have a link to "All Downloads" which would open a div with them arranged by language.
~Griffin
William Papper wrote:
I've completed a rough mockup of the site. I'm still debating whether language should be a prominent option or under the "Something Else"
field,
so I tried to mirror the current site in that regard.
All of the defaults would be auto-detected using JS. If JS is disabled, then the most common options are pre-selected (English, Windows, 32-bit, Stable).
All feedback is greatly appreciated. If people like the site, then I'll
go
ahead and build it in HTML/CSS/JS.
Here is the mockup:
[image: Inline image 2]
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I would love to help with the page if needed.
Lance
On March 28, 2014 12:40:27 PM EDT, William Papper william@papper.me wrote:
That's a great idea. I'll mockup a page without JS also, which would be a simple list.
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Griffin Boyce griffin@cryptolab.netwrote:
If js is disabled, then the fallback should have a link to "All Downloads" which would open a div with them arranged by language.
~Griffin
William Papper wrote:
I've completed a rough mockup of the site. I'm still debating
whether
language should be a prominent option or under the "Something Else"
field,
so I tried to mirror the current site in that regard.
All of the defaults would be auto-detected using JS. If JS is
disabled,
then the most common options are pre-selected (English, Windows,
32-bit,
Stable).
All feedback is greatly appreciated. If people like the site, then
I'll
go
ahead and build it in HTML/CSS/JS.
Here is the mockup:
[image: Inline image 2]
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I wonder if we should have a prominent tor logo or something along those lines. Trust might be a big issue for many people visiting the site, especially the ones in a hurry to download.
About the language thing, maybe the page will have translations in multiple languages, then we'll have an option to choose the language somewhere on the page, like the translate option we see on many sites and the download could also default to that language?
The user could have the option to select the language in the 'more options' page maybe.
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Lance lance@insiberia.net wrote:
I would love to help with the page if needed.
Lance
On March 28, 2014 12:40:27 PM EDT, William Papper william@papper.me wrote:
That's a great idea. I'll mockup a page without JS also, which would be a simple list.
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Griffin Boyce griffin@cryptolab.netwrote:
If js is disabled, then the fallback should have a link to "All Downloads" which would open a div with them arranged by language.
~Griffin
William Papper wrote:
I've completed a rough mockup of the site. I'm still debating whether language should be a prominent option or under the "Something Else"
field,
so I tried to mirror the current site in that regard.
All of the defaults would be auto-detected using JS. If JS is disabled, then the most common options are pre-selected (English, Windows,
32-bit,
Stable).
All feedback is greatly appreciated. If people like the site, then
I'll go
ahead and build it in HTML/CSS/JS.
Here is the mockup:
[image: Inline image 2]
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All very good suggestions from everyone. Excellent progress.
Remember split testing is everything.
One download page is a good start but you can always put 10 up and show them in rotation. the one that gets the maximum amount of downloads is the winner.
so if you are wondering about if you should put an element on a page just create one with and one without. show one half the time and the other the rest. track the download volume and we have a winner.
On 28 March 2014 18:02, Ramu ramu.rj@gmail.com wrote:
I wonder if we should have a prominent tor logo or something along those lines. Trust might be a big issue for many people visiting the site, especially the ones in a hurry to download.
About the language thing, maybe the page will have translations in multiple languages, then we'll have an option to choose the language somewhere on the page, like the translate option we see on many sites and the download could also default to that language?
The user could have the option to select the language in the 'more options' page maybe.
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Lance lance@insiberia.net wrote:
I would love to help with the page if needed.
Lance
On March 28, 2014 12:40:27 PM EDT, William Papper william@papper.me wrote:
That's a great idea. I'll mockup a page without JS also, which would be a simple list.
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Griffin Boyce griffin@cryptolab.netwrote:
If js is disabled, then the fallback should have a link to "All Downloads" which would open a div with them arranged by language.
~Griffin
William Papper wrote:
I've completed a rough mockup of the site. I'm still debating whether language should be a prominent option or under the "Something Else"
field,
so I tried to mirror the current site in that regard.
All of the defaults would be auto-detected using JS. If JS is
disabled,
then the most common options are pre-selected (English, Windows,
32-bit,
Stable).
All feedback is greatly appreciated. If people like the site, then
I'll go
ahead and build it in HTML/CSS/JS.
Here is the mockup:
[image: Inline image 2]
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As we are not trying to sell something, I am not sure if the download volume is the thing we are looking for (People coming to this page probably already know they want to download Tor).
Perhaps something like "time spent on the page before downloading" or something similar would be a better indicator (the shorter the better), if that is possible to do in a privacy-preserving way that is acceptable to the TPO folks.
On 28.03.2014 18:52, Earl G wrote:
All very good suggestions from everyone. Excellent progress.
Remember split testing is everything.
One download page is a good start but you can always put 10 up and show them in rotation. the one that gets the maximum amount of downloads is the winner.
so if you are wondering about if you should put an element on a page just create one with and one without. show one half the time and the other the rest. track the download volume and we have a winner.
On 28 March 2014 18:02, Ramu <ramu.rj@gmail.com mailto:ramu.rj@gmail.com> wrote:
I wonder if we should have a prominent tor logo or something along those lines. Trust might be a big issue for many people visiting the site, especially the ones in a hurry to download.
About the language thing, maybe the page will have translations in multiple languages, then we'll have an option to choose the language somewhere on the page, like the translate option we see on many sites and the download could also default to that language?
The user could have the option to select the language in the 'more options' page maybe.
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Lance <lance@insiberia.net mailto:lance@insiberia.net> wrote:
I would love to help with the page if needed.
Lance
On March 28, 2014 12:40:27 PM EDT, William Papper <william@papper.me mailto:william@papper.me> wrote:
That's a great idea. I'll mockup a page without JS also, which would be a simple list.
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Griffin Boyce <griffin@cryptolab.net mailto:griffin@cryptolab.net> wrote:
If js is disabled, then the fallback should have a link to "All Downloads" which would open a div with them arranged by language.
~Griffin
William Papper wrote:
I've completed a rough mockup of the site. I'm still
debating whether
language should be a prominent option or under the
"Something Else" field,
so I tried to mirror the current site in that regard.
All of the defaults would be auto-detected using JS.
If JS is disabled,
then the most common options are pre-selected
(English, Windows, 32-bit,
Stable).
All feedback is greatly appreciated. If people like
the site, then I'll go
ahead and build it in HTML/CSS/JS.
Here is the mockup:
[image: Inline image 2]
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I completed the JS fallback, but it's a bit more rough. It uses a simple list, with languages available as options. Ignore the border and the sizing of the list for now -- it will be more like a table in the HTML version.
Here's the page without JS:
[image: Inline image 2]
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:40 PM, William Papper william@papper.me wrote:
That's a great idea. I'll mockup a page without JS also, which would be a simple list.
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Griffin Boyce griffin@cryptolab.netwrote:
If js is disabled, then the fallback should have a link to "All Downloads" which would open a div with them arranged by language.
~Griffin
William Papper wrote:
I've completed a rough mockup of the site. I'm still debating whether language should be a prominent option or under the "Something Else"
field,
so I tried to mirror the current site in that regard.
All of the defaults would be auto-detected using JS. If JS is disabled, then the most common options are pre-selected (English, Windows, 32-bit, Stable).
All feedback is greatly appreciated. If people like the site, then I'll
go
ahead and build it in HTML/CSS/JS.
Here is the mockup:
[image: Inline image 2]
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Looks good =)
~Griffin
William Papper wrote:
I completed the JS fallback, but it's a bit more rough. It uses a simple list, with languages available as options. Ignore the border and the sizing of the list for now -- it will be more like a table in the HTML version.
Here's the page without JS:
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Andrew Lewman -
Earl G -
Griffin Boyce -
Lance -
Max Jakob Maass -
Ramu -
William Papper