Hello,
What do folk think about an IRC channel for www-team?
I'm Rey and I would like to throw my hat in and help out where I can.
Primarily a front end developer I have a fair bit of experience with static generators (Jekyll, Middleman, nanoc).
Words I like include HTML/CSS, HAML/SASS, responsive frameworks, Grunt, Compass and all that good stuff.
Rey
+1 for IRC chan. +0.5 for hosting on Github (not sure if this is a good idea, but I do love Github)
Hello everyone, I'm Sam Lawrence.
I have some experience in front-end development (JS/CSS/HTML/MarkDown/XML), but my day to day job is a QA Engineer (think SQL and legacy Windows Enterprise stuff). I don't know how much I can contribute from a dev perspective, but in a former life I ran support at a startup and have rewritten KnowledgeBases and FAQ pages. Good documentation makes me happy, and educating users brings me real joy. I will do anything I can to help take laymen and give them a solid grounding in security knowledge and help them use Tor in the best possible ways.
I'm very good at taking big technical concepts and breaking them down into bite-sized chunks that anyone can understand, including drawing analogies, teaching with questioning, and encouraging new learners.
Let me know how I can be useful. Feel free to reach out to me on Twitter @samelawrence (or @sel on ADN)
Sam
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Rey Dhuny rey@spcshp.com wrote:
Hello,
What do folk think about an IRC channel for www-team?
I'm Rey and I would like to throw my hat in and help out where I can.
Primarily a front end developer I have a fair bit of experience with static generators (Jekyll, Middleman, nanoc).
Words I like include HTML/CSS, HAML/SASS, responsive frameworks, Grunt, Compass and all that good stuff.
Rey
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I have to say.. I'm so happy at the level of documentation/content/FAQ support we have. I absolutely HATE writing content/documentation/FAQs. Love you guys and your patience <3
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Sam E. Lawrence selbrit@gmail.com wrote:
+1 for IRC chan. +0.5 for hosting on Github (not sure if this is a good idea, but I do love Github)
Hello everyone, I'm Sam Lawrence.
I have some experience in front-end development (JS/CSS/HTML/MarkDown/XML), but my day to day job is a QA Engineer (think SQL and legacy Windows Enterprise stuff). I don't know how much I can contribute from a dev perspective, but in a former life I ran support at a startup and have rewritten KnowledgeBases and FAQ pages. Good documentation makes me happy, and educating users brings me real joy. I will do anything I can to help take laymen and give them a solid grounding in security knowledge and help them use Tor in the best possible ways.
I'm very good at taking big technical concepts and breaking them down into bite-sized chunks that anyone can understand, including drawing analogies, teaching with questioning, and encouraging new learners.
Let me know how I can be useful. Feel free to reach out to me on Twitter @samelawrence (or @sel on ADN)
Sam
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Rey Dhuny rey@spcshp.com wrote:
Hello,
What do folk think about an IRC channel for www-team?
I'm Rey and I would like to throw my hat in and help out where I can.
Primarily a front end developer I have a fair bit of experience with static generators (Jekyll, Middleman, nanoc).
Words I like include HTML/CSS, HAML/SASS, responsive frameworks, Grunt, Compass and all that good stuff.
Rey
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+0.5 for hosting on Github (not sure if this is a good idea, but I do love Github)
I use GitHub Pages (http://pages.github.com (http://pages.github.com/)) for most of the stuff I build on Jekyll and recommend it though I'm not sure how this would fit in with the Tor project.
Presumably the website would have to be living on Tor project's infrastructure in terms of servers, version control, CDN, etc?
Also I'm not sure how GitHub Pages would scale to:
It should generate static web pages, ready to be mirrored by our network of more than 70 mirrors.
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/www-team/2014-January/000017.html
A question for Lunar regarding the infrastructure requirements methinks :)
Rey
Github pages is fantastic for hosting small, static projects for free. While Github might be a great place to host source code and collaborate, Github Pages is not a good solution (in my opinion) for hosting the public-facing pages. For one, Github has the right to enforce traffic limitshttp://www.quora.com/GitHub/What-are-bandwidth-and-traffic-limits-for-GitHub-pages, as the hosting is free; and Tor has the assets to host this on independent infrastructure.
It's also an issue of control and trust. Github as a company is probably very friendly to Tor, but it's too big and too public to trust as the canonical source for hosting software of this importance.
For anyone interested, though, Github Pages really are excellent for hosting small sites with ease. I use it for all my little side projects.
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Rey Dhuny rey@spcshp.com wrote:
+0.5 for hosting on Github (not sure if this is a good idea, but I do
love Github)
I use GitHub Pages (http://pages.github.com) for most of the stuff I build on Jekyll and recommend it though I'm not sure how this would fit in with the Tor project.
Presumably the website would have to be living on Tor project's infrastructure in terms of servers, version control, CDN, etc?
Also I'm not sure how GitHub Pages would scale to:
It should generate static web pages, ready to be mirrored by our network
of more than 70 mirrors.
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/www-team/2014-January/000017.html
A question for Lunar regarding the infrastructure requirements methinks :)
Rey
-- reyhan.org
On Tuesday, 7 January 2014 at 17:56, Sam E. Lawrence wrote:
+1 for IRC chan. +0.5 for hosting on Github (not sure if this is a good idea, but I do love Github)
Hello everyone, I'm Sam Lawrence.
I have some experience in front-end development (JS/CSS/HTML/MarkDown/XML), but my day to day job is a QA Engineer (think SQL and legacy Windows Enterprise stuff). I don't know how much I can contribute from a dev perspective, but in a former life I ran support at a startup and have rewritten KnowledgeBases and FAQ pages. Good documentation makes me happy, and educating users brings me real joy. I will do anything I can to help take laymen and give them a solid grounding in security knowledge and help them use Tor in the best possible ways.
I'm very good at taking big technical concepts and breaking them down into bite-sized chunks that anyone can understand, including drawing analogies, teaching with questioning, and encouraging new learners.
Let me know how I can be useful. Feel free to reach out to me on Twitter @samelawrence (or @sel on ADN)
Sam
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Rey Dhuny rey@spcshp.com wrote:
Hello,
What do folk think about an IRC channel for www-team?
I'm Rey and I would like to throw my hat in and help out where I can.
Primarily a front end developer I have a fair bit of experience with static generators (Jekyll, Middleman, nanoc).
Words I like include HTML/CSS, HAML/SASS, responsive frameworks, Grunt, Compass and all that good stuff.
Rey
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Hi list,
I'm Simeun, currently employed as a software engineer. I have decent experience in back-end and front-end web development (PHP, Python, Perl, Go, various NoSQL and RDBMS databases) and a little bit of linux/bsd system administration.
I can do PHP, Python, Perl coding, design (think HTML/CSS/JS), technical writing and user education.
Best regards, Simeun
On 1/7/2014 6:56 PM, Sam E. Lawrence wrote:
+1 for IRC chan. +0.5 for hosting on Github (not sure if this is a good idea, but I do love Github)
Hello everyone, I'm Sam Lawrence.
I have some experience in front-end development (JS/CSS/HTML/MarkDown/XML), but my day to day job is a QA Engineer (think SQL and legacy Windows Enterprise stuff). I don't know how much I can contribute from a dev perspective, but in a former life I ran support at a startup and have rewritten KnowledgeBases and FAQ pages. Good documentation makes me happy, and educating users brings me real joy. I will do anything I can to help take laymen and give them a solid grounding in security knowledge and help them use Tor in the best possible ways.
I'm very good at taking big technical concepts and breaking them down into bite-sized chunks that anyone can understand, including drawing analogies, teaching with questioning, and encouraging new learners.
Let me know how I can be useful. Feel free to reach out to me on Twitter @samelawrence (or @sel on ADN)
Sam
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Hello, What do folk think about an IRC channel for www-team? I'm Rey and I would like to throw my hat in and help out where I can. Primarily a front end developer I have a fair bit of experience with static generators (Jekyll, Middleman, nanoc). Words I like include HTML/CSS, HAML/SASS, responsive frameworks, Grunt, Compass and all that good stuff. Rey -- reyhan.org <http://reyhan.org> ________________________________________________________________________ Tor Website Team coordination mailing-list To unsubscribe or change other options, please visit: https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/www-team
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* Sam E. Lawrence schrieb am 2014-01-07 um 18:56 Uhr:
+0.5 for hosting on Github (not sure if this is a good idea, but I do love Github)
I would advise against Github, not because Github is bad in some way. But Tor deals with anonymity and so I feel it should not lead people to some third party sites while it could host the sites on their own servers.
The project has servers where the website is alread hosted. So it should be not problem to host them there. The code itself can be hosted on URL:http://gitweb.torproject.org.
I have some experience in front-end development (JS/CSS/HTML/MarkDown/XML),
I did the german translation of Tor's website some years ago. This was done by editing WML files and pushing them to a SVN archive where the WML files where built and uploaded to the site. So I know some web technologies and also other stuff. ;)
Let me know how I can be useful. Feel free to reach out to me on Twitter @samelawrence (or @sel on ADN)
I'm @qbi on Twitter and on Quitter (URL:https://quitter.se/qbi).
Besten Gruß
I would advise against Github, not because Github is bad in some way. But Tor deals with anonymity and so I feel it should not lead people to some third party sites while it could host the sites on their own servers.
The project has servers where the website is alread hosted. So it should be not problem to host them there. The code itself can be hosted on URL:http://gitweb.torproject.org.
+1 to this - Didn't realize Tor had it's own Git repo. Assumed it did, but wasn't sure. This makes more sense IMO.
Hopefully we can come up with a system for i18n better than WML. Looks like we have a couple guys with experience in the group.
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Jens Kubieziel maillist@kubieziel.dewrote:
- Sam E. Lawrence schrieb am 2014-01-07 um 18:56 Uhr:
+0.5 for hosting on Github (not sure if this is a good idea, but I do
love
Github)
I would advise against Github, not because Github is bad in some way. But Tor deals with anonymity and so I feel it should not lead people to some third party sites while it could host the sites on their own servers.
The project has servers where the website is alread hosted. So it should be not problem to host them there. The code itself can be hosted on URL:http://gitweb.torproject.org.
I have some experience in front-end development
(JS/CSS/HTML/MarkDown/XML),
I did the german translation of Tor's website some years ago. This was done by editing WML files and pushing them to a SVN archive where the WML files where built and uploaded to the site. So I know some web technologies and also other stuff. ;)
Let me know how I can be useful. Feel free to reach out to me on Twitter @samelawrence (or @sel on ADN)
I'm @qbi on Twitter and on Quitter (URL:https://quitter.se/qbi).
Besten Gruß
Jens Kubieziel http://www.kubieziel.de Politische Macht zu behalten, ist sehr viel schwerer als eine Wahl zu gewinnen. Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela
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Hopefully we can come up with a system for i18n better than WML. Looks like we have a couple guys with experience in the group.
Middleman does localisation out the box: http://middlemanapp.com/advanced/localization/
-- reyhan.org / @reyhan
On 7 Jan 2014, at 20:00, "Sam E. Lawrence" selbrit@gmail.com wrote:
I would advise against Github, not because Github is bad in some way. But Tor deals with anonymity and so I feel it should not lead people to some third party sites while it could host the sites on their own servers.
The project has servers where the website is alread hosted. So it should be not problem to host them there. The code itself can be hosted on URL:http://gitweb.torproject.org.
+1 to this - Didn't realize Tor had it's own Git repo. Assumed it did, but wasn't sure. This makes more sense IMO.
Hopefully we can come up with a system for i18n better than WML. Looks like we have a couple guys with experience in the group.
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Jens Kubieziel maillist@kubieziel.de wrote:
- Sam E. Lawrence schrieb am 2014-01-07 um 18:56 Uhr:
+0.5 for hosting on Github (not sure if this is a good idea, but I do love Github)
I would advise against Github, not because Github is bad in some way. But Tor deals with anonymity and so I feel it should not lead people to some third party sites while it could host the sites on their own servers.
The project has servers where the website is alread hosted. So it should be not problem to host them there. The code itself can be hosted on URL:http://gitweb.torproject.org.
I have some experience in front-end development (JS/CSS/HTML/MarkDown/XML),
I did the german translation of Tor's website some years ago. This was done by editing WML files and pushing them to a SVN archive where the WML files where built and uploaded to the site. So I know some web technologies and also other stuff. ;)
Let me know how I can be useful. Feel free to reach out to me on Twitter @samelawrence (or @sel on ADN)
I'm @qbi on Twitter and on Quitter (URL:https://quitter.se/qbi).
Besten Gruß
Jens Kubieziel http://www.kubieziel.de Politische Macht zu behalten, ist sehr viel schwerer als eine Wahl zu gewinnen. Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela
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On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Rey Dhuny rey@spcshp.com wrote:
Hopefully we can come up with a system for i18n better than WML. Looks like we have a couple guys with experience in the group.
Middleman does localisation out the box: http://middlemanapp.com/advanced/localization/
I think the real problem here is not 'having a backend that can handle multiple languages', but 'how can one store and edit translations in such a way, that
* translation teams are informed about obsoleted parts of their pages, and * people with little knowledge about web development can edit the translations.
--Frithjof
Take a look how translatewiki.net handles it ;-) Op 7 jan. 2014 21:22 schreef "Frithjof" sfrithjof@gmail.com:
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Rey Dhuny rey@spcshp.com wrote:
Hopefully we can come up with a system for i18n better than WML. Looks
like
we have a couple guys with experience in the group.
Middleman does localisation out the box: http://middlemanapp.com/advanced/localization/
I think the real problem here is not 'having a backend that can handle multiple languages', but 'how can one store and edit translations in such a way, that
- translation teams are informed about obsoleted parts of their pages, and
- people with little knowledge about web development can edit the
translations.
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It looks like Middleman fulfills all requested technical requirements except the feature that would allow translation teams to be informed about obsolete content. It would be silly to expect such a feature from a software that is primarily a *static site generator*. Middleman itself *is* a static site generator. It uses markdown documents for storing content, which makes translation work a lot easier than it is now. Also, it supports localization out of the box, which makes it a very good choice.
As git is going to be used for storing content, I assume it wouldn't be hard to build/setup separate system which will take care of translations, and make life easier for content translators. Anyway, main features of such tool should be: - to allow easy translation of content (plain simple editing of markdown documents) - to allow easy translation of language files (Middleman uses YAML, which doesn't require much technical knowledge to edit) - to notify translators of changes in content of "main" language (English?)
I don't know if any of such tools exists, although I believe there is a plenty of them. If someone knows of a such software packet, please let me know.
+1 for Middleman blogging support
Best regards, Simeun
On 1/7/2014 9:21 PM, Frithjof wrote:
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Rey Dhuny rey@spcshp.com wrote:
Hopefully we can come up with a system for i18n better than WML. Looks like we have a couple guys with experience in the group.
Middleman does localisation out the box: http://middlemanapp.com/advanced/localization/
I think the real problem here is not 'having a backend that can handle multiple languages', but 'how can one store and edit translations in such a way, that
- translation teams are informed about obsoleted parts of their pages, and
- people with little knowledge about web development can edit the translations.
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Just as an aside, I'm idling in #www-team on Freenode if anybody else wants to join.
It's on Freenode because I'm connected already anyway, if there's a Tor project preferred network/channel (http://irc.oftc.net, perhaps?) please let me (and the mailing list!) know so we can get involved.
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 8:48 PM, Simeun Furtula simeunf@gmail.com wrote:
It looks like Middleman fulfills all requested technical requirements except the feature that would allow translation teams to be informed about obsolete content. It would be silly to expect such a feature from a software that is primarily a *static site generator*. Middleman itself *is* a static site generator. It uses markdown documents for storing content, which makes translation work a lot easier than it is now. Also, it supports localization out of the box, which makes it a very good choice.
As git is going to be used for storing content, I assume it wouldn't be hard to build/setup separate system which will take care of translations, and make life easier for content translators. Anyway, main features of such tool should be: - to allow easy translation of content (plain simple editing of markdown documents) - to allow easy translation of language files (Middleman uses YAML, which doesn't require much technical knowledge to edit) - to notify translators of changes in content of "main" language (English?)
I don't know if any of such tools exists, although I believe there is a plenty of them. If someone knows of a such software packet, please let me know.
+1 for Middleman blogging support
Best regards, Simeun
On 1/7/2014 9:21 PM, Frithjof wrote:
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Rey Dhuny rey@spcshp.com wrote:
Hopefully we can come up with a system for i18n better than WML. Looks like we have a couple guys with experience in the group.
Middleman does localisation out the box: http://middlemanapp.com/advanced/localization/
I think the real problem here is not 'having a backend that can handle
multiple languages', but 'how can one store and edit translations in such a way, that
- translation teams are informed about obsoleted parts of their pages, and
- people with little knowledge about web development can edit the
translations.
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Hi there, I'm actually all for IRC and freenode in particular, though #www-team is a rather unfortunate choice as its quite the name-grab and does not really comply with the (admittedly, informal) channel naming policy (to be found at http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#channelnaming). A better name would perhaps be #tor-wwwteam :)
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 11:17 PM, Rey Dhuny rey@spcshp.com wrote:
Just as an aside, I'm idling in #www-team on Freenode if anybody else wants to join.
It's on Freenode because I'm connected already anyway, if there's a Tor project preferred network/channel (http://irc.oftc.net, perhaps?) please let me (and the mailing list!) know so we can get involved.
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 8:48 PM, Simeun Furtula simeunf@gmail.com wrote:
It looks like Middleman fulfills all requested technical requirements except the feature that would allow translation teams to be informed about obsolete content. It would be silly to expect such a feature from a software that is primarily a *static site generator*. Middleman itself *is* a static site generator. It uses markdown documents for storing content, which makes translation work a lot easier than it is now. Also, it supports localization out of the box, which makes it a very good choice.
As git is going to be used for storing content, I assume it wouldn't be hard to build/setup separate system which will take care of translations, and make life easier for content translators. Anyway, main features of such tool should be: - to allow easy translation of content (plain simple editing of markdown documents) - to allow easy translation of language files (Middleman uses YAML, which doesn't require much technical knowledge to edit) - to notify translators of changes in content of "main" language (English?)
I don't know if any of such tools exists, although I believe there is a plenty of them. If someone knows of a such software packet, please let me know.
+1 for Middleman blogging support
Best regards, Simeun
On 1/7/2014 9:21 PM, Frithjof wrote:
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Rey Dhuny rey@spcshp.com wrote:
Hopefully we can come up with a system for i18n better than WML. Looks like we have a couple guys with experience in the group.
Middleman does localisation out the box: http://middlemanapp.com/advanced/localization/
I think the real problem here is not 'having a backend that can handle
multiple languages', but 'how can one store and edit translations in such a way, that
- translation teams are informed about obsoleted parts of their pages,
and
- people with little knowledge about web development can edit the
translations.
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On Tue, Jan 07, 2014 at 10:17:48PM +0000, rey@spcshp.com wrote 7.9K bytes in 0 lines about: : It's on Freenode because I'm connected already anyway, if there's a Tor : project preferred network/channel (http://irc.oftc.net, perhaps?) please : let me (and the mailing list!) know so we can get involved.
freenode blocks tor, so perhaps use oftc.
andrew@torproject.is:
On Tue, Jan 07, 2014 at 10:17:48PM +0000, rey@spcshp.com wrote 7.9K bytes in 0 lines about: : It's on Freenode because I'm connected already anyway, if there's a Tor : project preferred network/channel (http://irc.oftc.net, perhaps?) please : let me (and the mailing list!) know so we can get involved.
freenode blocks tor, so perhaps use oftc.
Why not just using the good old #tor-dev channel?
Why not just using the good old #tor-dev channel?
freenode blocks tor, so perhaps use oftc.
#tor-dev it is on http://www.oftc.net/oftc/ :)
Rey Dhuny:
What do folk think about an IRC channel for www-team?
Thanks for other initiatives but Tor uses OFTC as its IRC network. I went ahead and registered #tor-www on OFTC.
Feel free to join but remember, IRC is ephemeral and not everyone can participate. Discussions needs to be summarized in tickets or mails to the list, otherwise they are simply lost.
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